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A Brother or Sister for Matilda and Sophie

28 Saturday Nov 2015

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SilhouettedAilsa and Tom are expecting their third child next year, who will be a brother or sister to their daughters Matilda (called Tilly) and Sophie.

If it’s a boy, Tom would love to name him Lennox, but Ailsa isn’t sure about it. If it’s a girl, Ailsa really loves the name Penelope, with the nickname Penny. However, Tom isn’t as keen on the idea.

Ailsa wonders if either Lennox or Penelope (Penny) are a good match with Tilly and Sophie’s names, and if there are any names that would work better for them?

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I have to agree with each of you, as I think both Lennox and Penelope are excellent matches with Matilda and Sophie. As you both have a favourite name you are longing to use, and as neither of you actually hates the other person’s choice, perhaps you could come to an amicable agreement?

If it’s a boy, Lennox – a name which his father loves, and his mother can hopefully accept (especially when it’s attached to her darling son). If it’s a girl, Penelope – a name which her mother adores, and which her father can hopefully learn to live with (especially as it belongs to his precious smallest daughter).

It’s a little gamble for each of you to take, but the stakes don’t seem too high, and it is entirely fair. It would mean that at least one parent will love the name, while the other one won’t really dislike it, and will have the good sportsmanship to accept the decision, knowing that it could just as easily have been their choice which was successful.

Do you think something like that could work for you both?

I don’t think there are any names you could use that are better than Lennox and Penelope, but if you wanted to consider other names, to see if you might be able to agree on one together, you could look at names that are similar to your favourites.

Matilda, Sophie and Penelope seem like a natural match because they are all popular traditional names. (With the nicknames, they all end in an EE sound as well.)

Similar sisterly sibsets could be

Matilda, Sophie and Charlotte
Matilda, Sophie and Georgia
Matilda, Sophie and Grace
Matilda, Sophie and Harriet
Matilda, Sophie and Hazel
Matilda, Sophie and Imogen
Matilda, Sophie and Lucy
Matilda, Sophie and Phoebe (this might put you off having a Penelope in the future?)
Matilda, Sophie and Victoria
Matilda, Sophie and Violet

Some of these could have a nickname like Lottie or Gracie, to continue the pattern.

If Tom loves the X sound in Lennox, he might like Alexander, Baxter, Dexter, Felix, Huxley, or Knox. Or perhaps Lennon or Leon are names that could give the nickname Lenny, if that’s what he was hoping for. He might consider other Scottish names, such as Campbell, Frazer, Jamison, or Reid.

But I’m rather hoping you decide that you can make your favourites work for you, and stick with Lennox for a boy and Penelope for a girl.

Readers, do you think Ailsa’s and Tom’s favourites work with their daughters’ names? And can you think of any names they might both love?

(Picture shows a “gender reveal” cake from Pop Sugar)

Name Update: A Sage Choice

18 Wednesday Nov 2015

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Sara and Jonathan were expecting a baby, and interested to know how they could choose a name which would work well in both Australia and the United States. Sara is an Australian living in the US, and she expects their children to grow up in both countries. Sara also felt under pressure to come up with a great baby name, because their got such a positive response to their eldest son’s name.

Sara and Jonathan worked together to come up with two baby name short lists before the birth, and then waited to see which name seemed best once their baby arrived.

A few hours after their second son was born, and after trying several different names on for size, they decided to name him

SAGE WILLIAM,

little brother to Felix.

Sage was a name that was on their list right from the beginning: they didn’t talk about it that much, but every time they eliminated names from their list, both of them liked it, and wanted it to stay on the list.

Just as with Felix, they have received lots of positive feedback for the name Sage, and have already been asked a few questions about it, as some family members hadn’t heard of Sage being used as a name before.

The name Sage now seems to fit their son perfectly, and just as the name Felix is connected with good fortune, the name Sage is connected with wisdom.

Congratulations to Sara and Jonathan on naming two handsome boys so well! They set about their name search so sensibly, and yet I think their eventual choice might have even surprised them a little. That name that neither of you can throw off the list just might the right choice.

I Now Pronounce You, Lucia – But How?

24 Saturday Oct 2015

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Catherine and her husband are putting together a long list of names for their baby, due next year. One of the names they are seriously considering is Lucia.

Catherine loves the English pronunciation for the name – LOO-sha, or LOO-shee-uh – as an interesting variation of Lucy. However, she is very wary about giving her little girl a lifetime of explaining and correcting the pronunciation of her name.

There are a few women named Lucia in Catherine’s family tree during the 19th century, and Catherine is of English and Irish ancestry. She wonders how these Lucias would have pronounced their names.

Catherine also wonders if anyone can help identify some characters named Lucia in English literature. There are plenty called Lucy and Lucinda, but precious few Lucias. She can think of Lucia from E.F. Benson’s Mapp and Lucia books (but Lucia is just a nickname and said the Italian way), and there is Lucia di Lammermoor from the Italian opera, but the character’s real name is Lucy, Lucia is an Italian translation of it.

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Catherine, I think there might be two questions you are asking here about Lucia’s pronunciation

1. Is there a traditional or historical British pronunciation of Lucia, perhaps even one which can be referred to as a “correct” pronunciation for English-speakers?
2. How would the majority of Australians say the name Lucia, to give you an idea of how often it might need to be explained or corrected in everyday life?

These are highly intelligent and practical questions, but unfortunately I don’t think I have a definitive answer to either of them.

I can tell you the correct historical pronunciation of Lucia – it’s LOO-kee-uh. It’s a Roman name, and that’s how the ancient Romans would have said it. Needless to say, nobody says it this way, which perhaps puts a bit of a question mark over the usefulness of correct historical pronunciations.

As far as I know, English-speakers say both LOO-sha and loo-SEE-uh. Which one your ancestors might have used is a bit of a puzzle. The Caribbean island of St. Lucia is said LOO-sha, which seems like it should be a clue, but perhaps isn’t.

It also occurs to me that Italian travel and culture was incredibly fashionable for the upper classes in Britain in the 19th century, which makes me wonder if your ancestors (if upper class or social climbers in even a mild way) might have used the Italian pronunciation, loo-CHEE-uh, to signal how cultured they were.

I will make a point of posting this article on the Facebook page for British Baby Names, in the hopes that name expert Elea Nickerson might be able to shed some light on the issue.

As to how most Australians would pronounce Lucia, I think it depends a lot on where they’re from. Anyone from an area with a significant Italian population is probably going to say loo-CHEE-uh. I would imagine that Italian-Australians would almost always say loo-CHEE-uh, and in a few cases, might persist with that pronunciation even after being told the person prefers it said another way.

I would probably say loo-SEE-uh if I saw it written down, maybe because of the name Lucy (I also tend to say LOO-see-us and LOO-see-an for the male names). I have met many other Australians who say loo-SEE-uh, although it seems to be less common than loo-CHEE-uh. In fact I’ve noticed a lot of Australians seem to think loo-SEE-uh is a mispronunciation of loo-CHEE-uh!

A friend in Brisbane tells me that everyone she knows says LOO-sha, because that’s how the exclusive suburb of St. Lucia in Brisbane is pronounced. It’s named after the Caribbean island, which is why it has the same pronunciation.

From my extremely unscientific polling of friends and relatives in different parts of the country, loo-CHEE-uh is the most common by far, then loo-SEE-uh, then LOO-sha – except in Queensland where LOO-sha seems most common.

Of course, once you are introduced to a Lucia and she says her name aloud, you automatically say it the way she does. It shouldn’t really need to be “corrected” unless you see her name written down first (on a class list, for example) and have to guess the pronunciation.

I think it is a name where you have to get good at introducing yourself clearly and firmly so people immediately understand the way you want it said. It’s also a name where if you travel around the world, you would need to be tolerant of people saying your name in different ways. I do think pronunciation might be an issue (unless you’re in Brisbane), but hopefully not to the point where it really bothers you.

You’re right that Lucia is not a very literary name. Like you, the first two things I think of are the Lucia from Mapp and Lucia, and Lucia di Lammermoor. For the uninitiated, the character from Mapp and Lucia is named Emmeline Lucas, so Lucia is a nickname from her surname. She uses the Italian pronunciation, which the author E.F. Benson seems to suggest is rather pretentious for an English person.

There’s a Lucia in the fantasy novel series Falling Kingdoms by Morgan Rhodes. She is a beautiful princess with great magical power, and the novels link her name with the meaning of “light”. There’s a mildly icky quasi-incest plotline.

Chick-lit novel Lucia, Lucia by Adriana Trigiani is set in post-war New York. Lucia is an Italian-American girl with a passion for fashion, but it’s the 1950s so good luck with those career aspirations.

In Lucia’s Eyes by Arthur Japin is a historical novel about an Italian servant girl who is the first lover of the famous Casanova. That leads almost directly to international prostitution, and a hideous facial disfigurement doesn’t seem to be a barrier to her profession.

The Lucia Chronicles by Jennifer L. Kelly feature Lucia Giroux and are set in a dystopian near-future in the United States. The name Lucia is again linked with the theme of “light”.

The trouble with all these namesakes is none of them are particularly positive. Emmeline aka Lucia is comically, even lovably, ghastly, while Lucia di Lammermoor goes mad and stabby. None of the others have great experiences, with incestuous love, broken dreams, a poxy face, and destroyed illusions in store for them. Lucias in books are clearly in for a tragic time.

Better to concentrate on the name’s other attributes. It’s pretty and elegant with a beautiful meaning and tons of nickname options, and is fashionable yet still underused. Isn’t that enough?

UPDATE: The baby was a girl, and her name is Margaret!

POLL RESULTS
Most people thought the name Lucia would probably need more explanations and corrections than usual because of its different pronunciations, but nothing that couldn’t be coped with. There was a significant number that thought it would be a major issue.
45% said Lucia would need more corrections than usual, but that it wasn’t necessarily a huge problem
30% said Lucia would need to be corrected a lot
13% said Lucia would need to be explained and corrected every single time upon meeting someone new
10% didn’t think Lucia would need more correction than any other name
One person thought Lucia would “hardly ever” need correction, and one optimistic soul was sure it would never need it

44% of people pronounced Lucia loo-CHEE-uh
43% said it loo-SEE-uh
12% said it LOO-sha
One person said it LOO-cha

(Picture shows an artist’s impression of Lucia from Falling Kingdoms)

Name Update: Oscar and Scarlett Are Brother and Sister

21 Wednesday Oct 2015

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Aimee wrote in to the blog because she and her husband were expecting a baby girl, and she wasn’t sure if the names she liked went with their son’s name, Oscar. Her husband having vetoed Eloise, Aimee’s favourite name, her next choice was Scarlett – but was Scarlett a clash with Oscar?

I thought Oscar and Scarlett sounded perfectly fine, and readers agreed, with almost half thinking they made a good match, and 91% in favour of choosing this combination.

After reading my response and looking at the poll results, Aimee soon made her decision, and when their daughter arrived early this month, there was no hesitation in naming her

SCARLETT LOUISE,

baby sister to Oscar.

Congratulations to Aimee’s family on the birth of their daughter, and how nice when we can solve someone’s dilemma that easily!

(Picture of rag dolls from etsy)

Name Update: Ready, Freddie, Go!

19 Monday Oct 2015

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Natalie and James were expecting their first child, and wrote in to the blog because they weren’t sure what they were going to call their son.

By the time Nat and Jamie got to the hospital, the name Jasper was their front-runner, even though Jamie had originally vetoed it. However, once their little boy was born, Jasper didn’t seem to suit him after all, and so they named him

FREDERIC FONG SHUN “FREDDIE“.

Frederic was another name that Nat had really liked, but Jamie had initially not been so keen on – luckily he decided Frederic was great after all. This is the second set of parents who had seriously considered the name Jasper until their son was actually born, and it’s also the second dad who vetoed a name, but then changed his mind – encouraging news!

Congratulations to Natalie and James on choosing the handsome, manly name with a handy nickname they had always wanted, and thank you to Natalie’s parents for choosing lovely Chinese middle names.

(Freddie wall hanging from The Spirited Puddle Jumper)

How Can They Jazz Up Their Baby Name Search?

17 Saturday Oct 2015

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Chloe and Ashton are expecting their third child next year; they already have a son named Wynton and a daughter named Etta. The couple are having trouble thinking of any names at all, and Chloe feels that she might over-think names.

Wynton was six weeks old before he was named, even though they knew in advance he would be a boy. They found inspiration from this blog for Etta’s name. They saw the name Etty, from Etty Bay, but put a spin on it. Like Wynton, Etta is also a jazz name, which vaguely references an Australian place name – Winton and Etty Bay (both in Queensland, as it happens).

Chloe loves their childrens’ names, and feels under pressure to come up with something equally good that fits in with Wynton and Etta.

To add to the difficulties, they have a surname which can be hard to match with a first name – it’s a somewhat startling short noun, like Blood.

Chloe doesn’t want any matching initials in the family, so no names starting with A, C, E, or W.

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On one hand, it can be an anxious feeling having absolutely no ideas for baby names at all. On the other, it can be a wonderfully liberating experience. No having to choose between favourite names, no arguments with your partner, no fretting because your best friend just used the name you had your heart set on. That leaves you in an enviably free position.

Like a jazz musician, you can be free to take risks with names, to improvise a name, to swing it, to try new things, to open your mind, to allow chaos into the naming process, to be creative. I might suggest that you try “underthinking” rather than overthinking – and by that, I mean allowing your subconscious, or your “under-mind” to express itself. Also remember that jazz is a colloborative process, so bounce ideas off each other.

I understand that “Blood” is not an easy surname to work with. I tried several different things, and I came up with some restrictions that I think might have to be considered.

-No vocabulary words as names, as Tangerine Blood or Duke Blood form a bizarre or even disturbing image.
– This includes names which sounds like words, such as Marshall, Dinah or Norah, or ones which have a nickname that sounds like a word, such as Minnie, Penny, Rich or Randy
– Well known place names could also be an issue, as with Georgia Blood or Paris Blood.
– No alliteration, as Byron Blood or Billie Blood sound odd and comical.
– Be careful with names ending with an S or X, as Lux Blood sounds like Luck’s Blood.

I can see it would be great if the name had some sort of connection with an Australian place, but I think with so many things to consider, it should be a preference rather than a must have.

Wynton and Etta are rare names, so I can see you might prefer a name which is similarly uncommon. However, there are many popular and fairly common names names from jazz, such as Laura, Louis, Malachi, Leon, Miriam, Theo, Kai, Kate, Leo, George, Jonah, Natalie, Eric, Oscar, Frankie, Stella, Jane, Hannah, Cameron, Harlan, Thomas, Percy, Dana, Maggie, Nancy, Ruth, Madeleine, Josephine, Reuben, Nathaniel, Mabel, Phoebe, Seth, Miles, Orlando, Xavier, and Sadie.

Some other names from jazz, a few of which have a connection to Australian places:

Darius
Django
Digby – a town in Victoria
Edgar – the Edgar Dam is in Tasmania
Fabian
Fletcher – a suburb of Newcastle
Freddie – there are quite a few places with Frederick in their name
Harvey – a town in Western Australia
Jesper – similar to the town of Wee Jasper in NSW
Julius – Lake Julius is in Queensland
Lennie
Leroy
Lucien
Miller – a suburb of Sydney
Monty – Montgomery is a district of Tasmania
Mornington – the Mornington Peninsula is in Victoria
Nelson – a suburb of Sydney, while Nelson Bay is a NSW town
Oran – Oran Park is a suburb of Sydney
Quincy – Quinns Rocks is a suburb of Perth
Reggie
Ronnie
Spencer – the Spencer Gulf is in South Australia
Thaddeus

Corea
Dara
Ida
Inez
Laine – Lane Cove is a suburb of Sydney
Lena
Lucia – St Lucia is a suburb of Brisbane
Mamie
Melba – a suburb of Canberra
Morgan – a town in South Australia, while Mount Morgan is in Queensland
Mimi – a small island in the Torres Strait
Nellie
Nina
Peggy
Saskia
Susannah – Susannah Place Museum is in Sydney
Tessie – sounds like Tassie, short for Tasmania
Valaida
Vera – Vera View is a beach in Perth
Zarie

You have set yourself a fairly difficult task, and I wonder if that’s why you can’t think of any names. Sometimes when we can’t come up with a single name which fits our criteria, it may be because the criteria is too strict. Have you painted yourself into a corner? Because if so, it may be time to set yourself free and find a new groove.

Readers, can you suggest any jazz-inspired names for Chloe and Ashton?

Urgent Poll: Name for a New Baby Girl

25 Friday Sep 2015

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Blog readers have already welcomed their second child, but haven’t yet settled on a name for her. They would love to know what other people think of the names they are considering.

The baby girl’s middle name has already been decided on: it’s Clementine. The surname begins with W and ends with N eg Welborn. The baby’s older brother is named Hugo.

Bearing all these factors in mind, which of these names would you suggest to them? You can pick up to three favourites.

Urgent Name Help Needed: Their Baby Boy is Due Very Soon!

20 Sunday Sep 2015

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Natalie and James are expecting their son in a few weeks, their first-born child. Nat is from a Chinese/Malaysian background, and her parents will help them choose a Chinese middle name. It’s lucky that the middle name issue is already solved, as Nat and Jamie are struggling to think of a first name!

What they would like for their son’s name:

Not too common and boring
Not totally out there and weird
No unusual variant spellings
Seems manly
Lends itself to good nicknames
Will suit an adult as well as a child

Some names they have been considering:

Edgar
Alfred
Milo
Jude
Quinn
Arlo
Odin
Otis
Marlowe

Nat likes Jasper, Jarvis, and Rupert, but Jamie doesn’t. Jamie likes Henry and Hugo, but Nat isn’t so keen.

Nat and Jamie have a pet dog named Frankie, so the name Franklin, which Nat loves, is also out.

Nat and Jamie’s surname begins with C eg Clarkson.

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Nat and Jamie, I notice a few name preferences you seem to have. One is for the classic-style solid English names like Edgar and Alfred which have been common since forever. The other is for those smooth-sounding names which have only become commonly used fairly recently, such as Arlo and Quinn.

Perhaps you could think about one which you would prefer, as this might influence the names of the children you have later.

You really seem to like the “long” vowel sounds found in names like Milo, Jude and Otis. That makes Quinn something of an outlier for you, and as it’s a name often used for girls as well, I wonder if it really fits your desire for something manly? It’s also a bit of a tongue-twister with your surname.

Jude is another name which sticks out to me, as it’s the only other name which is one syllable: I’m struggling to think of nicknames for Jude and Quinn. Your preference seems to be for a two-syllable name, although in general they don’t have obvious nicknames.

Could it be that you are not so nickname-happy as you thought? If you wanted a nickname, you might want to go up another syllable, as it seems easier to find nicknames for longer names.

With just a few weeks to go, I think you basically have two options. You can start to narrow down your current list to a top three or four that you think you are likely to use, and take that list with you to hospital. Once your son is born, you might feel he is definitely a Marlowe and not a Milo, or an Alfred and not an Arlo.

Or, if you are not convinced that any of the names are quite right, you could consider a slightly wider selection of names that still fits all your criteria and your name style. I will suggest another list of names which seem to be in line with what you like.

Don’t be afraid to choose the name you love best, even if it breaks one of your name rules. You are already having the middle name chosen for you, so that really leaves the first name spot open for you to express your individuality and follow your heart.

NAME UPDATE: The baby’s name was Frederic “Freddie”!

POLL RESULTS: The public’s top choices for the baby’s name were Jude, with 18% of the vote, and Theodore, with 24% of the vote.

How Can They Solve the Riddle of What Name to Use in the Middle?

19 Saturday Sep 2015

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Emma and Dane are expecting a baby boy at the end of the year, and have reached a stalemate in their baby name discussions. They are both extremely busy, and it has been easier to just avoid talking about it.

The first issue is that Dane doesn’t want the baby to have a middle name. He thinks it seems like a hassle, as just another thing that will need to be filled out on forms. Emma thinks it would be nice for their son to have a middle name, and notes that both she and Dane have one.

Emma is also fairly sure what she would like in the middle: one of their grandfather’s names, or a name derived from a grandfather’s name. That gives them a choice of either Michael, Solomon, Felix, or Jack (or a name which is related to one of these names in some way).

Out of these, Emma’s preference is for Michael, which is the name of Dane’s grandfather. Dane was the eldest grandson, and was close to his grandfather. And as Grandpa Michael lived until Dane was in his late twenties, they got to spend a lot of time together. To Emma, it makes sense that they choose the name of the grandfather who was best known and loved.

Apart from thinking middle names might very well be a nuisance, Dane is concerned that a middle name which honours someone could end up being a burden. It will be the name of someone their son doesn’t know, so may not feel any connection to. Dane also worries that choosing one grandfather over the three others risks causing family friction, especially as Emma’s mother is pushing them to use her father’s name, Jack.

They haven’t reached any agreement on a first name either. Dane’s preference is for Spencer or Cy, while Emma leans towards Quentin or Jarvis. Other names they have considered are Jared, Ike, Jarrah, Hank, Miles, Carl, and Carson. Emma and Dane’s surname starts with F eg Firman.

Emma would be grateful for any feedback or ideas as to how to get past their stalemate.

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I’ll deal with the middle name issue first, since I get the feeling this is really holding up the baby name discussions.

I think Dane is wrong about middle names being an administrative hassle – it’s actually not having a middle name which is a hassle. People who work in places like banks and passport offices expect you to have a middle name, so if you leave it blank they often query it, thinking you have forgotten to write it down, or are possibly trying to pull some sort of scam (they don’t tend to be the most trusting lot).

One of my cousins doesn’t have a middle name, and it was a real pain for her, as there was no way to tell her apart from someone else with the same name eg Jennifer (no middle name) Brown. She had trouble graduating from university as there was another Jennifer (no middle name) Brown, and eventually had to agree to have Jenny Brown on her degree instead of Jennifer. Her bank mixed her up with another customer from the same street who was also called Jennifer (no middle name) Brown, and they routinely received each other’s bank statements and so on. This isn’t just a hassle – it left both of them open to identity theft and fraud.

She married reasonably early to someone with an unusual surname, like Casamiagiento, and as she’s now the only Mrs Jennifer Casamiagiento in Australia, her identity woes are at an end. (Spelling her name is now the big problem). However, she still resents not having a middle name, and feels that her parents ripped her off by not giving her one.

I’m going to go out on a limb, and suggest that the reason Dane is resisting the idea of a middle name might be because he wants to avoid the stress of dealing with “honouring grandpa”. (That’s actually how Cousin Jennifer lost out on a middle name – due to family honouring issues, it went into the too hard basket).

I think it would be a bad idea to coerce Dane into honouring his grandfather with his son’s name, and that it should be his choice whether he honours Grandpa Michael. It might seem obvious that as Dane had the closest relationship with Grandpa Michael, Michael needs to be your son’s middle name. It would make perfect sense – as long as Dane wanted it.

It’s a sensitive subject, as people might have all sorts of reasons for not wanting to choose the name of a beloved family member who has passed away. They might still be grieving their loss, so don’t want to give their child a name connected with sadness. They might feel that the name still “belongs” to their family member, and it would feel disrespectful to give it to someone else.

It seems as if Dane doesn’t relish the idea of choosing sides by picking the name Michael. As your mum is very keen on the name Jack, he may not want to hurt or offend his mother-in-law, and may not want to connect Grandpa Michael’s name with potential conflict and injured feelings.

I think you need to talk to Dane, and ask him to identify where the real problem lies. Does he not want to use the name Michael to honour his grandfather, or would he prefer not to use family names in the middle at all? If you said, “Forget about Michael as it’s too much of a problem – we’ll just go with my grandfather Jack’s name”, would he welcome that decision or feel that now his grandfather was being slighted?

I feel as if you have quite a few options.

-Use Michael
– Use one of the other grandfather”s names, such as Felix, Solomon, or Jack
– Use a similar name to Michael, such as Mitchell, Micah, Moses, Miller, or Miles, so that you get a little reminder of Grandpa Michael without actually using his name
– Honour Grandpa Michael in some other way, such as using a family surname, or something connected to him
– Choose a middle name that doesn’t have anything to do with your family if it’s going to do nothing but cause arguments and stress: there’s no rule that you have to honour your family using your child’s name, and not choosing a family name doesn’t mean that you don’t love or respect your family

It’s really completely up to you and Dane what you decide to do (and it’s ultimately Dane’s decision in regard to using Michael). If possible, try to leave pressure from other people out of your discussions, as it seems like a distraction.

I wouldn’t worry one bit about your son never having met his great-grandfather: apart from having a blood connection, you can talk to him about his great-grandfather, show him photos and mementos, share special memories, and explain what a wonderful person he was. These are the ways we keep a beloved person alive in our hearts, long after they’ve gone.

I can’t help feeling that once you’ve sorted out the middle name, the first name will come a lot easier. I notice you’ve both chosen surnames like Spencer and Jarvis as possible names, so that seems to be something you’ve got in common. You might like Beckett, Jacoby, or Miller. And you’ve thought of a few unusual, American-style nicknames too, like Cy, Ike and Hank, that seem quite hip.

I like Cyrus, but unfortunately Cy reminds me of Cy Walsh, who recently murdered his famous father, the AFL coach: it’s bad timing, because I received your e-mail around the time he had his court hearing. How do you feel about Silas? Actually you’ve got a few names ending in S – what about Darius, Amos, Tobias, Rufus, Otis, Magnus, or Linus? Or Gus?

You’ve also considered three names starting with Jar-. I like the idea of Jarrah, because not only is it an Australian tree, but it’s very much like the Hebrew male name Jarah, meaning “honeycomb, honeysuckle”. Very sweet! Jarvey is a nickname for Jarvis which reminds me a lot of popular Harvey. It seems jaunty.

I really hope you can find time for a good talk about this very soon – those few months until your son is due will disappear like magic. I think it’s time to move past your stalemate, and start making some choices that work for both of you.

NAME UPDATE: The baby’s name was Spencer Moses!

Naming a Baby of Two Continents

12 Saturday Sep 2015

Posted by A.O. in Naming Assistance

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Sara and Jonathan are expecting their second child in a couple of months, and would like some name help. Sara is Australian and her husband is American: they currently live in the United States, but plan to move to Australia within the next few years. They think it likely their children will spend time in both countries as they grow up.

What they would like in a baby name:

*Not highly popular in either Australia or the US (eg no Lachlan or Aubrey)
* Sounds basically the same in either an American or Australian accent – Sara routinely has her name pronounced like Sarah or Serah in the US, and when she tries to correct people, in the confusion of unfamiliar vowels, they sometimes hear it as Zara, or even something completely different, like Claire
* the pronunciation is fairly obvious from seeing the name in writing
* the spelling is reasonably easy to guess from hearing the name said aloud

Sara and Jonathan already have a son named Felix, and frequently receive comments on what a great name he has, so feel some pressure to come up with something equally as good for their second child. Sara really likes that Felix can be translated as “happy”, and thinks it would be great if Felix’s brother or sister had a name with a positive meaning too.

So far they have these names on their lists:

Girls
Eleanor
Louise
Cora
Ivy
Talia

Boys
Leopold nn Leo
Edison
Bodhi
Sage

However, none of these names are really grabbing them at the moment. They have a number of family names they could use in the middle, and will go with one that matches the first name they eventually use.

Sara and Jonathan have a cute one-syllable surname starting with R eg Rudge. They would prefer a name that didn’t start with R.

They would love to hear of any suggestions that sound good with Felix, are suitable in both North America and Australia, and fit all their other criteria.

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It’s nearly always harder to choose the second child’s name, as there are so many factors to consider. When you chose Felix‘s name, you were naming a baby, but when you choose your next child’s name, you will effectively be naming a family. The name that you choose will put Felix’s name in context, so deserves careful thought.

One thing that occurs me to wonder is whether you want a sibset which sounds more Australian than American, more American than Australian, evenly American-Australian, a comfortable mix and match of the two, or neither American nor Australian.

The reason I ask is because Felix is much more popular in Australia than in the US. So if you went with another name which was more popular in Australia in the US, you would end up with a very Australian-sounding sibset.

For example, Ivy is another name that is much more popular here than in the US, so to me Felix and Ivy sounds like an Australian family. But Cora is much more popular in the US, so that sounds more of a mix-and-match: Felix ahead of the trends in the US, Cora ahead of the trends in Australia. Meanwhile, Eleanor has a similar popularity in both countries, so Felix and Eleanor sounds evenly American-Australian – it would be hard to pick which country they were from from their names.

None of these choices are right or wrong: it all comes down to what suits your family best. It might be quite good to have names like Felix and Ivy, where Australia is slightly ahead of the trends in the US, as they will sound quite fresh in America. However, if you come back to live in Australia, Felix and Ivy will fit in easily. That may not be a bad thing: having lived overseas, it might be nice for them to have names which are already popular here, giving them an immediate normality.

A different scenario would arise with a name like Leopold. Felix and Leopold doesn’t sound either Australian or American – the names sound quite European together. I think this is a rather attractive idea, as the names would sound fresh in both countries, and wouldn’t strongly mark them as being of either nationality.

The other issue to think about is that you have received rave reviews for the name Felix, and naturally want your second child’s name to be widely admired too. You don’t want your second child’s name to seem like the B side to Felix.

You might also find that people no longer judge Felix’s name on its own merits, but as part of a set. So people might think Felix and Ivy sounds hip, Felix and Eleanor sounds classy, and Felix and Leopold sounds distinguished. Be prepared to hear different things about Felix’s name when he’s a brother – but hopefully just as positive.

If you are really keen to have a repeat success with your second child’s name, I think the secret is to choose a name which is rapidly rising in popularity. These tend to be names which most people like (that’s why they’re rising), and I’ve noticed people often like having a name that’s rising in popularity too, due to them getting lots of love.

Felix is zipping up the charts in both the US and Australia, and it’s also a familiar name with a long history that hasn’t become overly popular yet. That makes it a “sweet spot” name which seems fresh without being too strange or challenging, and well-established without being stuffy or boring. Add a cool letter X which is right on trend, and no wonder you are getting compliments right and left.

I feel that I’ve probably given you a lot to think about, and possibly even more questions that you need answered!

You did ask for suggestions, so I will offer a few to give you some ideas.

BOYS

Jasper
I think Felix and Jasper are a perfect match as brothers. Like Felix, Jasper is rising steeply, and is another sweet spot name that has a bit of quirk to it. Means “master of the treasure house”.

August
Another fast-rising name. I think Felix and August sound quite European together. It has a positive meaning too: “venerable”. It’s also a month, which means that everyone can spell and pronounce it.

Maxwell
I couldn’t resist another X name. Rising Maxwell just hit the Top 100 in Australia and is only a little outside it in the US. The name ultimately comes from the Latin for “great” – very positive. Or would you prefer Maximus?

Theodore
Similar popularity to Maxwell in both countries, and has a very positive meaning – “gift of God” (it predates Christianity). The nickname Theo is very stylish; I love Felix and Theo.

Otto
A stylish, rising name that goes well with Felix, and means “riches, wealth”. There is a pronunciation difference in the US though, which makes me wonder if you’d prefer the rarer surname form Otis?

GIRLS

Thea
Short for Theodora or Dorothea, this is basically a feminine form of Theo. Rising very swiftly, this is a neat, stylish little name.

Hazel
This has just reached the Top 100 here, and is very close to it in the US. I just love how Felix and Hazel sound together. Hazel trees are symbolic of protection – quite similar to the original meaning of Felix.

Iris
Much less common than Ivy in Australia, but similar-sounding and very hip. Felix and Iris sounds adorable. Means “rainbow”.

Esme
This is big in the UK, but much less common in the UK or Australia, and would sound very British matched with Felix. Means “esteemed, loved”.

Eloise
Reminds me of Louise, and is a similar popularity to Felix when comparing countries. I think Felix and Eloise sound very elegant together. The name most likely means “healthy”.

Sara I hope that this has given you some ideas, or even led you to see your original name list in a new light. Do feel free to write in again before your due date, especially if you get a new name list or a front-runner. And we look forward to hearing all about your American-Australian baby!

NAME UPDATE: The baby was a boy, and his name is Sage!

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