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Famous Name: George Alexander Louis

31 Wednesday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Famous Names

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The Prince of Cambridge was born more than a week ago, and he is still big news around the globe. As future kings are born only once in a generation or so, this makes Prince George the most famous baby in the world, and it seems like an opportune time to take a look at his names.

George is derived from the Greek name Georgios, translated as “farmer”. Because it literally means “worker of the earth”, it specifically refers to the cultivation of crops.

The name George became known throughout Europe because of Saint George. According to tradition, he was a 3rd century Roman soldier from a noble Christian Greek family in Palestine. His military career went swimmingly until he was asked to sacrifice to the Roman gods, and when he refused, he was tortured and beheaded. He is venerated by Christians as a martyr.

Much later, the legend of Saint George saving a princess from a dragon was tacked on to the story. This medieval legend came from the Eastern church, and seems to be an attempt to Christianise pagan myths such as Perseus. It was brought to Europe by the Crusaders, and became a medieval romance. Saint George is the patron saint of England, and his flag, a red cross on a white background, forms part of the Union Jack.

Despite Saint George being the patron of England, his name did not become particularly common there until George I, who was German-born, took the throne of Great Britain in 1714. The name became a traditional one in the royal family, and there have been six British kings named George; the most recent the father of the present queen; he was born Albert Frederick Arthur George, and reigned under his last middle name.

George is a common name amongst many of the royal houses of Europe, and Prince Philip’s grandfather was George I of Greece, with Prince Charles having George as his last middle name. There has only been one other Prince of Cambridge, and the first one was also named George.

The name George is a sturdy classic in Australia which has never left the Top 100. It was at its peak in the 1900s and 1910s at #4, and has never been lower than #72, which it reached in the early 2000s. Currently it is #71 nationally, #64 in New South Wales,#69 in Victoria, #79 in Queensland, #48 in Tasmania and #50 in the Australian Capital Territory.

Alexander is the Romanised form of the Greek name Alexandros, translated as “defender of men, protector of men”. It first turns up in Greek mythology as the epithet of Paris, prince of Troy, who gained it while only a child, rescuing cattle from thieves while working as a cow-herd. There was a slightly earlier real life ruler of Troy named Alexander, and it’s possible the fictional Paris ended up with his name.

Just as George is a traditional name in the British royal family, Alexander was traditional in the Macedonian royal family, and the man who made the name famous for all time was Alexander III of Macedon, otherwise known as Alexander the Great. A young man of boundless ambition, Alexander conquered much of the known world, including Persia and Egypt, and invaded India before being turned back by his own men, who were getting pretty sick of his let’s-conquer-the-whole-world attitude.

Alexander was a history-maker, a great commander who never lost a battle, a role model for the empire-building Romans, and whose military strategy is still used today. He was a figure of romance, with legends being written about him even in his own lifetime. And he took power while still a teenager, dying in his early thirties, so he is always remembered as youthful, vaunting and energetic.

The name Alexander, and its many variants, spread throughout the world. There are early Christians named Alexander mentioned in the New Testament, several saints named Alexander, and many popes.

Alexander I of Scotland was named after Pope Alexander II, who gave his blessing for the Norman Conquest, and there were two more Alexanders after him in the Scottish royal family. There has never been an English king named Alexander, but the name isn’t uncommon in the royal family, and it’s especially seen use as a middle name.

In Australia, Alexander is another sturdy classic which has never left the Top 100. It was #29 in the 1900s, and sunk to its lowest level in the 1950s and ’60s at #89. It is currently enjoying some of its highest levels of popularity, being #16 nationally, #14 in New South Wales, #9 in Victoria, #20 in Queensland, #21 in South Australia, #21 in Western Australia, #26 in Tasmania and #17 in the Australian Capital Territory.

Louis is the French form of the old Germanic name Chlodowech, Latinised as Clovis, and whose modern German form is Ludwig. It means “famous warrior”. The 5th century Clovis I was the first king of the Franks to unite all the Frankish tribes under one ruler, so that they were now ruled by a single king, with kingship descending onto his heirs. He was also the first Christian ruler of Gaul.

Having created the Frankish monarchy, it’s little wonder that his name was such a big hit with French rulers, with 19 kings of France bearing the name Louis (the last one only managed a few minutes before he abdicated). The first one was Louis the Pious, son of Charlemagne, who was not only king of France but also co-ruler of the Holy Roman Empire – Louis was a traditional name amongst the Emperors as well.

Louis IX, or Saint Louis, is the only French monarch to be canonised, and Louis XIV was known as Louis the Great, or the Sun King, one of the most powerful monarchs to ever rule France. It all went wrong for Louis XVI, who was executed during the French Revolution. The other Louis the Somethings were kings in name only, as the throne had been abolished and France was no longer a monarchy.

Although so strongly associated with the French crown, Louis has been well-used as a middle name in the British royal family – in fact George I’s full name was Georg Ludwig, or George Louis. Louis is the final middle name of Prince Edward, who may have gained it from one of his godfathers, Louis, Prince of Hesse and Rhine, and Prince William, who is said to bear it in honour of Louis, Lord Mountbatten, a mentor to Prince Charles.

Louis has several pronunciations, for in French it is said loo-EE, and in English it can either be pronounced LOO-ee or LOO-is. The royal family use the LOO-ee pronunciation. Somebody recently wrote into the blog, worrying that if she called her son Louis, people might say it LOO-is by mistake, which doesn’t seem unlikely.

The name Louis is an underused classic in Australia which has never left the charts, yet never become popular. It was #101 for the 1900s, and reached its lowest point in the 1970s at #290. Since then it has continued climbing, and is currently #113 and still going strong.

George, Alexander and Louis are excellent names for a king-to-be, and great names for any boy. All classics, these are names which have stood the test of time, and been borne by men who were not just part of history, but changed history. They are names of kings and warriors and saints, defenders of the realm, and those who sought new worlds to conquer. Yet they have been borne by so many ordinary people as well that no particular expectations come with them.

These are names perfect for a prince – are any of them perfect for your little prince?

POLL RESULTS: George received an approval rating of 66% , Alexander of 88%, and Louis of 69%.

(Photo of Prince George from Facebook)

Names in the News

30 Tuesday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Names in the News

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Dr Benjamin Pitcher, from the University of London, analysed the most popular names in the UK, Australia, and the US, and found that boys names are more likely to have “large” vowel sounds, while girls are more likely to have “small” vowel sounds in their names. Larger sounding vowels pull the tongue to the back of the mouth, creating more airspace and releasing lower frequency sounds, while smaller vowels force the tongue forwards and upwards, giving high pitched sounds. Examples of “large” vowels in names include Jack, Lachlan, Cooper, Noah and Tom, while “small” vowels can be found in Isabella, Olivia, Mia, Lily and Ella. Dr Pitcher says this is an example of biological evolution, but only looked at names between 2001 and 2010, which doesn’t seem like enough of a time period to evolve in. I was interested to see that a Dr Pitcher would end up studying pitch, and that his first name, Benjamin, tends towards the more feminine vowels.

More studies into gender differences in names show that in English-speaking countries, girls names tend to be longer, to have unstressed “weak” initial syllables, end on a vowel sound, and to have more vowel sounds generally. It is thus supposed that girls names are more “decorative”, and boys names more “functional”. I wonder what they think in non-English countries, because in India, Arabic countries, and Polynesian islands, male names are often just as long and vowel-heavy as female ones, and I’m sure they don’t think of their boys names as “weak” or “girly”. Perhaps we should we be asking ourselves why we see our girls names as “weak and decorative” – it probably says a lot more about our own attitudes than it does about their vowels. Because take away all our value judgements, and there is no real reason while a girls name like Jane is “stronger” and more “functional” than one such as Olivia or Isabella.

The invented word Khaleesi, from Game of Thrones, has the meaning of “queen” in the fictional Dothraki language, although it is a title and not a personal name. Khaleesi has been used as a baby name since the TV show aired in Australia, and it turns out that it is more popular in Queensland – 15 babies named Khaleesi have been born in Queensland so far this year, compared to 4 each in Victoria and South Australia, and 6 in New South Wales. Could it be the meaning of “queen” which unconsciously makes it more appealing to Queenslanders? Two Queensland fans of the show who chose the name for their daughter say that they couldn’t agree on any name until the first season of Game of Thrones began airing. They thought Khaleesi was a really nice name which would be suitable for an adult too, and found out the spelling from the show’s website. Makes you wonder what all these Khaleesis would be called if the books hadn’t been turned into a TV series …

The town of Busselton on Western Australia’s south-west coast has a social group for women named June, and on June 1 each year, they celebrate Happy June Day. (Because if the first of May is May Day, then obviously the first of June is June Day … right?) In existence since 2010, this year eight women named June got together for a cuppa and to find out what else they have in common. Two of the Junes were born in June (well, actually, one of them was born on May 31, but so close to midnight it was practically June). One of the Junes has four children born during the month of June, half the Junes had a mother named Mary, and two Junes have a sister named Barbara. June peaked in the 1930s at #10, and this is something cool to look forward to if you have a popular name – starting your own name group.

This year’s mission for the Junes was to see more newborn babies named June – a wish which was granted instantly, because after a friend sent her the story about June Day in the Busselton paper, Eleisha Whiston contacted the June group to tell them she named her daughter June on May 25. Baby June is named after her 83-year-old great-grandmother, who was born in June. Her brother Hugo also has a June birthday. The Happy Junes were “overwhelmed” to hear of a new June so soon. You know what? June is a lovely name. Seriously consider having a little June – no matter what the moon, or whether born at morn or afternoon, that name would be a real boon, bringing great fortune. Then every day would mean a Happy June.

Meanwhile, Dave Noonan from Hobart’s Heart 107.3 radio station became alarmed at the thought that his own name might die out, and initiated a Save Dave campaign, to convince the women of Hobart to call their sons Dave. Eventually, Matt and Melissa Moore welcomed their son at 4.33 am on July 19, and named him David Xander, to be rewarded with a newly-renovated kitchen. Melissa plans to call her son Davey as his nickname, which she finds “cuter”, making the contest seem a bit pointless.

Winnie Primrose and Alfie Ferdinand

26 Friday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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Twins

Lachlan William and Imogen Wendy

Tandia Maree and Jai Alan (Asher)

 

Girls

Avy Penelope (Josh, William, Jed)

Brooke Olivia

Chloe Sirena

Emanuela Sophia (Olivia)

Eve Hui-Lin

Ida Mae (Zac, Sophie)

Ivy Florence (Piper)

Joss Maree

Liv Michelle (Juliet)

Marlee Jo

Minnie Morgan – surname Cooper, in honour of the car

Phia Margaret

Taylem Ruby (Angel, Owen, Mitchell)

Winnie Primrose

Zipporah Louise (Clara, Samuel, Joseph)

 

Boys

Alfie Ferdinand (Finn)

Benji Leo (Amarli)

Charles Fergus (Annabelle, Juliet, Abigail)

Eddy Somerton (Lilly)

Errol Maurice (Levent)

Finley Bruce (Emily, Lachlan)

Gabriel Lawrence (Ivy, Frankie)

Hendrex Philip

Julian Rocco (Orlando)

Levi Archer (Alyssa, Emmaline, Kara, Taj, Elias)

Logan Peter (Kanye)

Luca Jorgen

Samuel Wynne

Thomas Nash (Montana)

Vyan

 

Most popular names this week:

Girls: Scarlett

Boys: Cooper and Max

(Photo shows a hut in the snow at Jindabyne, New South Wales)

Royal Baby News: Prince William and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

25 Thursday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Celebrity Baby News

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Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge, and his wife Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge, welcomed their first child on July 22, and have named their son George Alexander Louis, Prince of Cambridge.

Prince George was born at 4.24 pm, weighing 8 lb 6 oz (3.8 kg) in the Lindo Wing of St. Mary’s Hospital in London – the same hospital where Prince William and his brother Prince Harry were born. His birth was celebrated with illuminations of blue light, gun salutes, and the ringing of the bells of Westminster Abbey, where his parents were married on April 29 2011.

Prince George is the grandson of Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, and the great-grandson of Queen Elizabeth II, and he is third in line to the throne after his father and grandfather. We now have three generations of direct royal heirs living at the same time, which last occurred at the end of the 19th century, in the last years of Queen Victoria’s reign.

Prince George’s name was revealed on the evening of July 24 – a mercifully brief wait, because it took a week to announce Prince Wiliam’s name, and a month to announce Prince Charles. Although all three of his names are traditionally royal ones, the Duke and Duchess have confirmed that they chose the names because they liked them.

George is a traditional name in the British royal family. There have been six kings of Britain named George, and, if you count middle names as well, it is the most commonly used name in the royal family. George was the regnal name of Queen Elizabeth’s father (born Albert), and it is thought that the choice of name must please Her Majesty greatly.

George also comes from William’s mother’s side of the family, because one of his cousins from the Spencer family is named George. In addition, Saint George is the patron saint of England and the city of London, and also a classic name, very popular in Britain, where it is currently #12 – and probably destined to climb higher still. Prince George will share his name with many of his subjects, making it an “everyman” name, free of snobbery.

Little wonder that George was the name which everyone had picked out for the prince!

Alexander is another family name from the Spencer side, because Prince William has a cousin named Alexander Fellowes, reportedly a close friend. In addition, it is an appropriately Scottish choice, because Alexander was a traditional royal name in the Scottish royal family. The British monarchy has close ties to Scotland, and Prince William and Catherine met while studying at St Andrews, in Scotland. Many royal watchers had tipped a Scottish name to be chosen for a middle name for this reason.

Louis is one of William’s own middle names, and may be a tribute to Lord Louis Mountbatten, uncle of Prince Philip, and close friend and mentor to Prince Charles. Lord Mountbatten was assassinated in 1979. Louis Spencer, Viscount Althorp, is a cousin of William, so whether by chance or design, all three of the prince’s names are those of cousins on the Spencer side of the family.

All three names were my first three suggestions that I speculated could be used for the prince, based on royal naming patterns.

(Photo shows Prince George leaving hospital with his parents, wrapped in a shawl made from Australian merino wool. The Prince was swaddled in a blanket from aden + anais, designed by Australian-born founder, Raegan Moya-Jones).

Requested Name: Susannah

24 Wednesday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Requested Names

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Susanna_merleSusannah is a variant of Susanna, which is from the Greek form of the Hebrew name Shoshannah, meaning “lily”. It may be related to the Egyptian word for “lotus”, and in modern Hebrew it is also understood as “rose”. There is a lot of debate as to which lily the Old Testament means when it says shoshannah – most likely it is the water lily, but others believe it is the flower we call the Madonna lily.

The story of Susanna appears in the Old Testament. According to the story, Susanna was a beautiful Hebrew wife of Babylon, married to a rich man. One day she was secretly watched while bathing in her garden by two lecherous old men. The peeping toms then confronted her, and told her that unless she gave herself to them, they would tell everyone that she has been meeting a young man in her garden.

Despite the two men being elders and judges, Susanna refused to give in to their blackmail, and was soon arrested, to be executed for adultery. At that point, a youth named Daniel sprang forward, and demanded that Susanna receive a fair trial. Intuitively aware the men were lying, Daniel cross-examined the two men separately and found a flaw in their witness testimony – one man claimed that Susanna was meeting her lover under a small tree, while the other said it was a large oak.

Susanna was acquitted, and the two old men put to death in her place for bearing false witness. Although it was a happy result for Susanna, the point of the story is to extol the intelligence and justice of Daniel, the future prophet, who from that moment forth is seen as something out of the ordinary.

In the Bible used by Catholics, Susanna’s story is one of the chapters in The Book of Daniel, but Protestants give it its own (very short) book. They don’t accept it as genuine Bible history, because it doesn’t appear in any Hebrew texts – it was originally written in Greek. However, they leave it in because it’s a nice story; Martin Luther described it as “beautiful religious fiction”. You could even see it as Biblical fan fiction.

There is a Susanna in the New Testament as well, who is mentioned in Luke. She was one of a group of women who were disciples of Jesus, and supported his ministry from their own funds, remaining faithful through his arrest and execution. These women were called The Myrrhbearers, because it was they who prepared Jesus’ body for burial and who bore witness of his empty tomb; they are regarded as apostles to the Apostles.

The name Susanna or Susannah has been used since medieval times, in honour of the Susanna from the Old Testament, but only became common after the Protestant Reformation, probably with the New Testament Susanna in mind. It has many variants, including Susan, Susana, Susanne, Suzanne and Suzette, and is used in many countries in different forms.

Susannah has appeared only sporadically in the charts in Australia, and has never been popular. The highest it’s ever been is #218 in the 1900s, and it also had a resurgence in the 1970s at #389, and in 2009 at #521. Currently it doesn’t chart at all.

Compare that to Susan, which has been almost continually on the charts, and was the #1 name of the 1950s. The 1950s was also the peak for Suzanne, while Susanne peaked in the Top 100 of the 1940s, and Susanna in the 1960s at #376. The other Su- names can all be dated to a particular decade, while Susannah isn’t tied to one specific era.

Susannah commemorates a beautiful Biblical heroine who preferred death to sullying her virtue, and whose story had a happy ending. Despite its pure lily-like meaning, to me it seems a cheerful, sunshiney name – it makes me think of bright yellow daisies more than pale lilies. Susannah is one of those names which seems bright and bubbly for a little girl, but smart and professional for a grown woman.

The fact that it is so familiar (and even similar to popular Savannah), yet so underused, must make it an attractive prospect for parents who are searching for a name which is different, but not too different; a name which has a history, but doesn’t sound dated. It could honour a Susan or a Suzanne, and its nicknames include Sue, Susie, Sukie, Sanna, Sunny, Annie, Zannah and Zuzu.

Thank you to Jamie for suggesting the name Susannah to be featured on Waltzing More Than Matilda

POLL RESULT: Susannah received a highly creditable approval rating of 79%. People saw the name Susannah as sweet and wholesome (21%), familiar yet underused (21%), beautiful or pretty (18%), and a happy, sunshiney name (14%). However, 6% thought it was plain and boring. Only one person thought the name would get confused with Savannah.

(Painting shown is Susanna at Her Bath by Hugues Merle, 19th century)

A Quick Guide to Swistle: Baby Names

21 Sunday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Blog Reviews

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Swistle’s Name

Kristen is the insightful blogger behind Swistle: Baby Names, but she writes under the whimsical name Swistle, with her avatar labelled as Swistle, of Thistleville. I’m not sure what she intended by the pen name, but it reminds me of a wind whistling through a field of thistles – someone with a mind which is cool, sharp and practical.

Who is Swistle?

Swistle is the doyenne of personalised baby name advice columnists. From reading her blogs, the impression I get of Swistle is that she is a person with exacting standards, but realistic expectations. Which I think is the perfect mindset for a baby name advice blogger.

The Premise of the Blog

People write in with their baby name dilemmas, and Swistle answers them. Along the way, interesting naming issues come up for discussion, such as whether babies choose their own names, or what happens when all the names you like are really popular, or how to stop someone from using a nickname for your baby that you hate, or why isn’t Parsley a name. But plenty of people just want to know the correct pronunciation of a name they are considering, wonder which spelling of a name would be best, or seek to make their sibset sound harmonious, or at least not terrible.

Getting Involved

You are free to weigh in with your own opinions by leaving a comment, and if you don’t feel you have anything new to add, you can often participate in public polls.

Updates

When the parents eventually have their baby, they write back and tell us all what name they chose, and sometimes include a photo of their new bub so we can see how well the name suits them. (At this point, you may find that the parents have ignored every piece of advice given to them, and gone with the name they wanted to use all along, even though nobody liked it, and tried to persuade them not to use it).

Getting Help From Swistle

You need to email her with your problem – Swistle provides information on how best to get your letter selected, because not every letter can be published. She says she only answers questions from US parents, but if you aren’t from the USA, you may be able to get your letter published on general naming topics. I have seen one Australian get their letter published.

Swistle’s Favourite Baby Name Book

The Baby Name Wizard by Laura Wattenberg. She also keeps a close eye on the US popularity charts.

How Long Has Swistle Been Blogging?

She began Swistle: Baby Names in February 2008, but she had been blogging since 2006 on a personal level. She was on Blogspot until earlier this year, when she moved onto her own website (a process which involved much wailing and gnashing of teeth, apparently).

Swistle’s Other Blogs

Swistle, which is a personal/parenting blog, and Milk and Cookies, which is a shopping blog.

Swistle on Social Media

You can connect with her through the Facebook page for the baby names blog, and through Twitter, but this is a personal account and not primarily for baby names.

Other Places That Swistle Has Written About Names

Nameberry, BlogHer and Pregnancy & Newborn magazine. She has also been recommended on Disney Baby’s Best Blogs for Baby Name Inspiration.

Swistle’s Children

She has five children, including a pair of twins. On her blog, she uses as their aliases Robert, William, twins Elizabeth and Edward, and Henry. However, she explains on BlogHer that their names are actually closer in style to Ian, Keegan, Clarissa, James, and Caleb.

Baby Name Advice from Swistle

She has prepared a “cheat sheet” for expectant parents, to help them start their baby name quest the right way. Here’s the low down:

  • Make a list
  • Consider people, places and fictional characters you may want to honour
  • Check the popularity rankings
  • Even on your first baby, think ahead to future sibling names
  • See the middle name as a place to have fun and seek compromise
  • Be reassured that everything will work out

The best advice I think that Swistle has ever offered on her blog is that there are NO RULES when it comes to choosing baby names. So many people limit their choice of baby name according to what they think they “should” pick, that they end up eliminating all their favourite names, or find that there are no names left that they like.

(Picture shows a field of Nodding Thistles)

Can You Suggest an Old-Fashioned Sibling Name That’s Nickname-proof?

06 Saturday Jul 2013

Posted by A.O. in Naming Assistance

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a0a4d2ce42332c0a1d4e469c79ec8a71Jodie and Drew are expecting their second child next month, and don’t know what the sex will be. They have a daughter named Audrey, and would like a name which sounds good with that. Jodie really likes vintage style names, and prefers ones that can’t be shortened into a nickname. They have lists of names for both boys and girls, but each possible name seems to have its own issues to think about.

Jodie and Drew’s Boy List

  • Archer (not sure about nickname Archie, or whether it goes with Audrey)
  • Emerson (maybe too out there?)
  • Hugo (too common?)
  • Spencer (too preppy?)
  • Louis (people might pronounce it like Lewis, instead of LOO-ee)
  • Edmund (don’t want it shortened to Ed)

Jodie and Drew’s Girl List

  • Florence (Drew isn’t keen, and it might get shortened to Flo)
  • Gwendoline (a family name – will get shortened to Gwen)
  • Sadie (Drew loves it, but it almost seems too nicknamey already)
  • Mabel (too common-sounding and undignified next to Audrey?)
  • Madeline (it will be shortened to Maddie)
  • Hilary (it might get shortened to Hil)
  • Clementine (Jodie likes it, Drew doesn’t; it could get shortened to Clem)

Names Jodie and Drew Have Rejected

  • Boys – Arthur, Ashton, Byron, Clarence, Clement, Darcy, Elliot, Ernest, Erroll, Fletcher, Floyd, Flynn, Harvey, Hector, Henry, Hugh, Jarvis, Lenny, Miles, Miller, Morgan, Noah, Rupert, Willis
  • Girls – Abigail, Agatha, Agnes, Amber, Amelie, Avery, Beatrice, Charlotte, Iris, Grace, Harriet, Hazel, Juliet, Louisa, Marion, Miranda, Miriam, Olive, Paige, Piper, Rosalind, Ruby, Scarlett, Sybil, Vera, Vivienne

Middle Names

  • Boys – they are thinking of using Alistair, which is a family name, but it’s not decided yet.
  • Girl – Jodie would like to use Ann, which is a very important family name, but Drew isn’t keen on the idea.
  • In either case, the second middle name would be Jodie’s surname, which is a one syllable name.

Jodie is hoping to find a classic, old-fashioned name which doesn’t seem strange, but isn’t in the Top 50, and if possible, not in the Top 100. She doesn’t mind if the name becomes more popular later, but doesn’t like the idea of a name which is falling in popularity, in case it quickly dates.

The surname begins with B and ends with T, for example, Barrett, and they don’t want a name which starts with B. Ideally, the name would be one that can’t be turned into a nickname, and doesn’t sound too nicknamey either. They especially need help with boy’s names.

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I can understand wanting to limit what nicknames others can use from your child’s name, but I don’t think it’s possible to completely control it, or even predict what nicknames will be bestowed. There are Elizabeths who are never called anything but their full name, and there are boys named Max who are called Maxy, Max Kersplatz, Mini-Max, and Sir Maxalot.

People can be quite creative in bestowing nicknames, and your baby will soon become a little person with their own ideas. They could be happy to accept a nickname from their family and friends, and may even feel sad and left out if they don’t have one.

Rather than worrying about whether Louis will be Lou or Spencer called Spence, you can at least never use a nickname for your child yourself, and, up to a certain age, you can politely correct people who try to give them one. However, at some point you will have to let go and allow them to decide for themself.

With the middle names, I love Alistair as the middle name for a boy, and it would sound okay with all the names you are considering.

I understand that Ann is a special family name, and it’s also your daughter’s middle name (as well as other family members). I get the appeal of that – it’s like they’re all in this secret family Ann club. I am wondering though why Drew isn’t keen on the idea? Is there a family name from his side that he’d like to use? Or does he think that two sisters should have their own individual names and identities?

The children will be sharing a second middle name anyway, so perhaps sharing both middle names isn’t really necessary. If it’s extremely important to that Ann is used as the middle name, perhaps you could allow Drew to pick his favourite name for a girl, as a concession. And maybe if he convinces you to not use Ann, you could use a middle name from his side of the family instead.

YOUR NAME LISTS

Boys

  • Archer: I think it sounds nice with Audrey, but a nickname of Arch or Archie does seem likely.
  • Emerson: It doesn’t seem too out there, although it is more common for girls.
  • Hugo: I think Hugo is dashing, sounds really good with your surname and chosen middle name, and Audrey and Hugo is an adorable sibset.
  • Spencer: I guess Spencer might be a little preppy. I think only you can decide if it’s too preppy. I do like Audrey and Spencer.
  • Louis: I think this would be a fantastic choice, if you can cope with people sometimes saying his name LOO-is, which I agree could easily happen.
  • Edmund: I absolutely love this name, and I think it is utterly perfect as a match for Audrey. I feel as if people would only call him Ed if that was a nickname he liked himself.

Girls

  • Florence: I don’t think it would be shortened to Flo, which seems pretty old-fashioned. However, as Drew doesn’t care for it, I think it’s off the list anyway.
  • Gwendoline: Gwen does seem a fairly likely nickname for Gwendoline. If you decided not to go with Ann in the middle, I think Gwendoline would make a wonderful and meaningful middle name.
  • Sadie: If you insist on Ann in the middle, then it would be nice to let Drew choose this one. Sadie Ann is cute.
  • Mabel: I don’t think Mabel sounds undignified at all, and I like Audrey and Mabel a lot. To me they are rather similar, in that they can both sound cute for a little girl, but suitable for an adult too.
  • Madeline: I agree – this will get shortened to Maddie. And it’s also falling in popularity, which is one of the things you didn’t want.
  • Hilary: I don’t think it would automatically become Hil, but I’m not sure how much I love this name with Audrey.
  • Clementine: I think this is a very pretty name, and unlikely to be shortened to Clem, but as Drew doesn’t like it, I don’t think it’s a possibility.

BOYS

These are boys names I thought of that don’t have an obvious nickname. Some of them are on the Top 100, but lower than Archer.

  • Arlo
  • Drake
  • Elias
  • Felix
  • Jasper
  • Jude
  • Rex
  • Rufus
  • Stirling
  • Winston

GIRLS

These are girls names that didn’t seem straightforward to turn into nicknames. None of them are on the Top 100, and they are all vintage or retro style.

  • Cecilia
  • Celia
  • Clara
  • Cora
  • Eloise
  • Esme
  • Helena
  • Lydia
  • May
  • Pearl

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Out of the names you’ve chosen I like Mabel best for a girl, and Mabel Ann sounds sweet, if you convince Drew that Ann in the middle really is a good idea. For a boy, Edmund makes me swoon, but if you can’t get over the thought of someone calling him Ed one day, then Hugo Alistair is gorgeous.

Out of the names I came up with, I think Winston is the best match with Audrey, and Rex is the only name on the list which is old-fashioned, uncommon, gaining in popularity, and can’t be shortened into a nickname. It’s not a classic, but it’s not far off. For girls I love Clara as a sister to Audrey, and Celia Gwendoline is lovely. Several of the girls names are classics, and a couple are so rare they don’t chart at all.

Good luck Jodie and Drew – you picked an absolute winner with Audrey, and I’m sure you’ll do just as well second-time around. Let us know whether you have a boy or a girl, and what name you decide upon for him or her!

NAME UPDATE: The baby was a boy, and his name is Archer!

POLL RESULTS
The public’s choice for the baby’s name was Mabel for a girl and Hugo for a boy.

(Photo of vintage-style nursery from Spearmint Baby)

Choosing Between Two Baby Names

09 Sunday Jun 2013

Posted by A.O. in Your Questions Answered

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Baby Name Genie, choosing baby names, honouring, initials, middle names, name popularity, nicknames, popular names, sibsets, US name popularity

k-bigpicA lot of times, parents end up with two front-runners on their baby name list – both equally good choices, both equally loved. They’re usually fairly similar in style and popularity, which makes it harder to decide.

One of the most common questions used to search for the blog is choosing between two different names, so today I thought we would take one of these questions as an example of different ways you could use to make the choice between names. Not all of them will work for you, but hopefully at least one of them will make sense.

The names I’ve chosen are Sophia nn “Sophie” and Matilda nn “Tilly“, which are only four places apart in the 2012 NSW 100. For the purposes of the exercise, I’ve picked the surname Conway out of the phone book, and we will imagine that the middle name has to be Jane, after grandma. The baby’s siblings are named Audrey and William nn “Will“.

Check how each name sounds with the middle name and surname

Take your names on a road test by trying all possible combinations of each name, including nicknames and initials.

Sophia Jane, Sophia Conway, Sophia Jane Conway, Sophie Conway, S Conway, SJ Conway, SJC

OR

Matilda Jane, Matilda Conway, Matilda Jane Conway, Tilly Conway, M Conway, MJ Conway, MJC

Don’t just write them down on a piece of paper, say them aloud. Put them into sentences. Sophie, please set the table for dinner … Tilly, where were you? I was so worried! This road test from Baby Name Genie is quite good.

Call them out – Sophia, are you ready for school? Matilda Jane Conway, get in here this instant! (The usual advice seems to be to do this in a supermarket or playground, but where I live, this will get you called “the crazy woman who yelled at an imaginary person in the supermarket/playground” for the next forty years. Everyone else must have more open-minded supermarkets, or else they drive to another town to do it or something.)

Does one name appeal more than another when you say it out aloud? Do you prefer the smooth sound of Sophia Conway, or the perky lilt of Tilly Conway? Does Matilda Jane seem “right” to you, in a way that Sophia Jane doesn’t? Do the initials MJ bug you for some indefinable reason?

Check how each name sounds with the siblings

Audrey, William and Sophia

OR

Audrey, William and Matilda

Which one can you best imagine as Audrey and William’s baby sister? Can you see yourself saying, These are my children – Audrey, William and Sophia or My kids are called Audrey, Will and Tilly? Do Will and Tilly sound too much alike to your ears?

Popularity

If you care about popularity even a little (and let’s face it, most of us do), have a quick check of each name’s popularity. Not just how popular it is now, but whether it is becoming more or less popular.

Sophia is still climbing in popularity, while Matilda has begun to descend in the charts, although both names are fairly stable – Sophia rose only 1 place last year, while Matilda didn’t move.

While both names have a similar popularity, Sophia is likely to become more popular, and perhaps even reach #1, as it has in the United States. Matilda is unlikely to overtake its peak of #16, but will probably remain fairly popular for some time.

A lot of parents have a great anxiety about their baby’s name becoming “too popular” and reject names on an upward trajectory, but I think names rising in popularity are nothing to be afraid of. For girls especially, having a rising name seems to correlate with liking their own name a great deal.

In this case, they may not have too many years to have a rising name, as Sophia could peak fairly soon. You may want to take the nickname into account and consider the popularity of Sophie too.

In practice, parents are going to be more concerned about local popularity – if they know ten Matildas and no Sophias in their neighbourhood, Sophia is going to be more attractive to them, no matter what the charts say.

As we don’t have crystal balls or the ability to control other parents’ names choices, I think it’s wisest to educate ourselves about popularity, but not to fret over it.

Wait until the baby is born before deciding

This must be the most common piece of advice handed out to indecisive parents, and with good reason: a lot of the time it seems to work. Many parents seem able to instinctively feel that their baby looks like a particular name, and no other can be considered. They look at their daughter, and know at once she is a Matilda, and not a Sophia, and the question is settled.

It doesn’t work for everyone, or for every baby, so I would consider this a technique you would hope to work, rather than expect it to.

Flip a coin

This is another common piece of advice handed out when you need to make a decision. It’s not as silly as it sounds, because the important part is not whether you get heads or tails, but how the outcome makes you feel. In other words, the coin toss is just a way to gauge your gut reaction. You toss a coin, and you get heads, which means the name is Matilda. Do you feel a pang of loss that it isn’t Sophia? Were you secretly hoping it would be tails? Maybe your gut is telling you something.

Choose a third option

If you get all the way through this and you still can’t decide between Sophia and Matilda, chances are neither name is right. Maybe the perfect name has been staring you in the face the whole time, and you’ve been too distracted obsessing over Sophia and Matilda to notice it. Stop obsessing, and the right name might make itself known to you.

Things to consider

  • It’s fine to ask other people for their opinions, but don’t follow them blindly. Asking too many people may end up confusing you more, so it’s best to limit how many people you ask, and choose them wisely. The best people to talk to are those that ask you questions to help you understand your own feelings better, rather than people who just tell you their own opinions, and those who can share their own experiences, so you can learn what techniques worked for other people.
  • If you are hesitating about a name because of the middle name or the nickname, that’s something that might be easily fixed. For example, if Sophie as a nn for Sophia seems too common, you could always use Fia. If you think Tilly sounds odd next to a brother named Will, maybe Tilda or Matti is more pleasing to you (or you might just choose to be glad you didn’t nickname William “Billy”). If you don’t love Sophia Jane, perhaps you could add another middle and call her Sophia Violet Jane instead. Think about whether a particular issue can be changed to suit you better before you cross it off.
  • Trust your instincts. There’s no right or wrong answer, so go with what feels right to you. A name doesn’t have to tick every box to be the right one.
  • Don’t stress over the decision or over-think it. In the grander scheme of things, it doesn’t make a huge difference whether you pick Sophia or Matilda – they are both nice names. Since there isn’t a wrong choice to make, you might as well relax about it!

Have you ever had to choose between two names which both seemed perfect? How did you make a choice?

Name Update: Bugsy Has a Brother!

08 Saturday Jun 2013

Posted by A.O. in Name Updates

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choosing baby names, honouring, names from movies, nicknames, sibsets, To Kill a Mockingbird, vintage names

jem finchMia wrote in to the blog a couple of months ago, wondering what kind of name would suit a sibling to her son Bugsy, whose name was chosen by his dad, Lachlan.

Mia wrote in again to say that she was considering the name Marlon for the baby if it was a boy. However, she set her heart on a girl’s name which starts with Mar-, so she abandoned the idea of calling her son Marlon.

Mia and Lachlan’s second son was born on May 22 weighing 5 lb 3oz, and at first the name Thatcher (nicknamed Ted) seemed like the right one for him. But somehow Mia was not 100% convinced that he looked like a Thatcher, and when she talked it over with Lachlan, he confessed he didn’t really love the name.

It took a couple more weeks to make the final decision, but now Mia and Lachlan are absolutely sure of his name, and he is called

JEM RICHMOND,

little brother to Bugsy.

Mia and Lachlan like that it is short and nicknamey, easy to spell, and a regular name that won’t be a hassle, while still being just unusual enough to not stand out next to Bugsy. James is an important name on both sides of the family, so they feel that it is honouring the Jameses, although they didn’t set out to do that. Everyone loves Jem’s name, so it’s been a complete success.

Interestingly, Bugsy is a name from a movie (Bugsy Malone), while Jem is also from a movie (Jem Finch in To Kill a Mockingbird), so they seem a very well-matched pair of brothers. They’re both vintage names, and both quite boyishly cute and casual as well.

Another interesting snippet is that when readers were polled on what kind of name would go best with Bugsy, most respondents picked “A name from the 1920s/30s” – To Kill a Mockingbird is set in the 1930s.

Not only is Jem gorgeous, the rise of hip Atticus and Scout make Jem seem like an undiscovered Mockingbird name – I think people will really “get” Jem, and a couple are going to be kicking themselves they didn’t think of it first.

I love the middle name Richmond too – very sleek and handsome. It made its way onto a name list two years ago – oddly enough, it was published May 22. Spooky!

Congratulations Mia and Lachlan for choosing the perfect name for your son, and putting so much love and thought into the choice. Thanks also for showing people it’s okay to have a change of heart about your baby name, even after the baby is born.

(Photo shows Philip Alford as Jem Finch in To Kill a Mockingbird)

Celebrity Sibset: Kate Langbroek

25 Saturday May 2013

Posted by A.O. in Sibsets in the News

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baby name stealing, celebrity baby names, celebrity sibsets, Dutch names, famous namesakes, French, honouring, name popularity, rare names

blogimport_ahabxp-15ilmslDave Hughes and his family have been on the blog twice now, so I thought we should look at his radio partner, Kate Langbroek (surname sounds like Langbrook). Kate and Dave do the breakfast shift together on Nova, and their show is called Hughesy and Kate.

According to their website, Dave has a segment on the show called The Name Nazi, where he tells you the correct spelling of names, and woe betide anyone called Alivia or Phelissitie. I have come to realise that radio hosts have a whole hive of bees in their bonnet when it comes to baby names, which makes them such fascinating subjects as baby namers themselves.

Kate is married to Peter Allen Lewis, an electrical engineer who now owns a bar, where he works two days a week. They have been married for ten years and have four children together.

Lewis Jan (b. 2003)

If you’re thinking, Hmm … am I reading that right? It looks as if that kid’s name must be Lewis Lewis, then yes you’re reading it right. It was a real fad in the 18th century to have your surname as your first name, and Kate and Peter seem to have brought it back. Lewis’ middle name is after Kate’s father, who is Dutch-Australian. You probably know the name is said YAHN.

Sunday Lil (b. 2005)

Sunday was named after Sunday Reed, who founded the Heide Museum of Modern Art in Melbourne with her husband John. Sunday Reed grew a rockmelon plant at the Heide, from which, many years later, Kate ate its fruit while she was pregnant. Kate thought it was so magical that it inspired their choice of baby name. She was horrified when Nicole Kidman “stole” her baby name three years later, when she named her daughter Sunday Rose. She worried that everyone would start naming their children Sunday, but last year Sunday did not chart in Victoria.

Art Honore “Artie” (b. 2007)

I feel as if Art should have been named after the Heide Museum of Modern Art, but he may not have been … Honore is a French name meaning “honour”, and it’s pronounced on-eh-RAY.

Jan Allen (b. 2009)

Jan is also named Kate’s father (such a great name they used it twice), and Allen is after Peter’s grandfather.

(Photo of Kate, Peter and their children from New Idea)

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