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Tag Archives: sibsets

Olympia and Cassius

13 Friday Mar 2015

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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Twins
Finn Harvey and Archie Quade (Lyla, Noah)

Girls
Adella Rae (Cooper, Amber, Blake, Isabella)
Aponine Zillah Anne
Aurora Scarlet (Seth)
Ava Helena Elizabeth (Riley, Jake)
Billie Lea
Catherine Isabelle
Dajah Pearl
Elly Nina
Eloise Mary Anastacia (Kayla)
Emelia Raine (Xavier)
Freya Aster
Inara
Isla Margaret Rose
Lacie Jay
La’Tarnya
Meadow Azalea
Memphis Storm
Mikaela Devashi
Milly Jane
Monique Ida (Elisha, Alanah-Rose)
Olympia Sophia (Leila, Anais)
Pippa Dulcie Marie (Ava, Bonnie)
Rosealee Summer
Rubiana
Skylar Layne

Boys
Alfie Julian
Ardy Bryce (Amiani, Semia)
Aston Scott
Baden James
Bosco
Carmelo Vasile
Cassius Christopher
Denny Beau (Mac)
James Hyde (Michael, Joshua)
Jax Winston
Jay Maurice (Archie)
Kip
Kobie David Larwood (Broadie, Jordan, Grace)
Lewis Clifford (Helena)
Ollie John (Reef, Amaya)
Patrick Kelly
Paxton Nicholas (Grace, Zara)
Reuben Perrin (Amelia, Eve, Mia)
River Adam (Raka John)
Ronan James Edmer
Ryder Earle (Tobias)
Tamati Eyob Teira
Tyce Andrew (Myla)
Wylie Arthur (Jean)
Yohann Henry

Note: Some of these names are from Bonds Baby Search

(Photo shows children at Blaxland Riverside Park play space at Olympic Park, Sydney)

Avalon Renegade and River Wylde

06 Friday Mar 2015

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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Twins
Albert and Benson (Eliegh)

Girls
Alessia Lily (Pietro, Oscar)
Asha June (Tori)
Avalon Renegade
Aylin Hayley
Brydie Caitlin (Peyton, Sienna)
Candy
Chilli
Elizabeth Audrey
Emika Grace (Kota)
Heart
Heaven
Isara (Sabai)
Juliet Diane (Charlotte, Sophia)
Kaiarahi Rayne
Lavina Rose
Lucy Juliette (Oscar, Hugo)
Matilda Ellen (Darcy)
Mia Jana
Olivia Mercedes (Lucas)
Paisley Hazel
Pepper
Riva Evelyn (Rhys, Levi)
Sophie Annabel (Emily, Eliza)
Stella Charlotte Joanna
Sylvia May
Tiarah Stella
Valentina Luisa – born on Valentine’s Day
Winter Ivy
Zarhara Ivy
Zimiao

Boys
Abdul-Razzaq
Angelo James
Annan
Arlington
BJ
Boston Milton (Noah)
Cosmo
Declan Hamish (Melodie, Griffin, Kyla)
George Tucker
Henley John
Hunter Dan
Hutchison Christopher
Lincoln Dean (Georgiana Amy)
Jacob Johannes
Jasper Eric Tyrion (Oskar, Jonah)
Jude Thomas
Luca Brian-Paul
Lysander Jack
Rafael Fiero Pereira
Rafferty David
Rhall
River Wylde
Royce Dominic
Ryder Jim
Sloan
Stefan Rocco (Antonio)
Strickland
Theodore Buddy
Valerios Vince
Woody

Note: Some of these names are from Bonds Baby Search.

(Picture shows surfing at Avalon Beach, Sydney; photo from sydney.com)

 

Name Update: Welcome Archer and Cleo’s Sister!

04 Wednesday Mar 2015

Posted by A.O. in Name Updates

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choosing baby names, sibsets

 

Edie

Lydia and Oliver weren’t planning on more children after they had Archer and Cleo – but then they received a delightful surprise, with the news that they would be having another girl. Although lots of names were up for discussion, the two front runners were Edie and Quinn, and Lydia wrote in to the blog to ask what people thought of their choices.

The baby arrived early this year, and they chose the name fairly easily. The middle name was going to be Joy, but Oliver didn’t like that, and he made a suggestion that Lydia really liked, so her name is

EDIE FLORENCE,

little sister to Archer and Cleo.

The only issue has been is that Edie was born with health problems that required emergency medical intervention, and has needed a lot of care in hospital. With so many doctors and nurses reading her name, Lydia is frustrated that they often mis-read it, and call her little girl “Eddie”. She is thinking of changing the spelling to Eadie to make the pronunciation more obvious. Apart from that, she is absolutely thrilled with Edie’s name, and of course, absolutely thrilled with her daughter, who has proved such a tough little fighter.

Congratulations to Lydia and Oliver, and may their little Edie Florence continue to grow and flourish as much her name suggests. It’s a gorgeous name, and isn’t the sibset of Archer, Cleo and Edie adorable? Blog readers voted Edie as their favourite choice for the baby, so I’m sure this will receive wide approval.

What Would You Name a Brother for Alfie and Ned?

28 Saturday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Naming Assistance

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Kathleen and Michael are expecting their third child in a few months, and already have two sons named Alfie and Ned. If they have a girl, there are plenty of names that they could choose, but they are quite stuck if there is another boy on the way.

They have considered the name Otis, but are not sure if it fits with their other children’s’ names, and Michael has rejected the name Jock, which was also under discussion.

Kathleen and Michael like fairly traditional names which aren’t too common – Kathleen doesn’t want a Top 100 name, or a name which is rapidly rising into the Top 100.

They would prefer a nickname-style name to match Alfie and Ned, hopefully one which doesn’t start with A or N, and ideally would like a shortish name, as they have a reasonably long surname eg Bassingthwaite.

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Kathleen, I can sympathise with you having tons of girl’s names lined up, yet feeling stuck for boy’s names after having two sons. I have two daughters, and if we had another child, I would be brimming with ideas for boys’ names, but picking another girl’s’ name would be a bit stressful.

I feel confident that we would come up with an attractive girl’s name that sounded nice with our surname, fitted the middle names we have planned, and sounded okay with her siblings. But would I be able to pick a name that we absolutely loved, that thrilled us to the marrow, and that seemed to click into place absolutely perfectly? I’m not sure about that.

It’s possible that it will be hard for you to find a name that you instantly connect with and get excited over, and I think in that situation it’s only fair that you keep your expectations realistic, and your options open.

When you’re not feeling the love, then at least you can be business-like about it, and think about names that really work for you – that fit into your family, and that tick as many of your boxes as possible. You’re still a fair way off your due date, and you definitely have time to find a good name. Maybe even time to learn to love a good name!

First off, I wouldn’t dismiss Otis immediately if you like it. I think it’s a fantastic choice; it’s very hip and is nowhere near hitting the Top 100. And although it might not be an obvious match with Alfie and Ned, I don’t think it sounds bad with them either.

It’s a cute, spunky name, like Alfie and Ned, and being a surname form of Otto, you could see it as having a bit of a nickname vibe too (especially as Otto itself began life as a nickname). I think Alfie, Ned and Otis make a nice set, and Otis sounds great with your surname too.

However, if I haven’t managed to convince you, don’t worry, because there are so many fashionable and cute nickname names for boys that aren’t in the Top 100.

Two that are going like hot cakes at the moment are Lenny and Sonny, which have a similar popularity to Ned. However, if you are super nervous at the idea that your chosen name might go Top 100 one day, then these are a bit of a risk.

Three that are a similar level of popularity to Alfie are Gus, Jimmy, and Johnny. I must say, I think Gus sounds adorable as a brother to Alfie and Ned, and is another stand out choice with your surname.

Once we start getting into the less-common, but still familiar, nicknames, you might consider Jonty or Ollie. I’m seeing a lot of Vince and Joe lately, and Monty is one which seems like a perfect match with your sons’ names, and with your surname – it sounds quite posh.

Or you could go for something which is rarely used, such as Freddie, Jem, Kip or Kit. Freddie is ultra-cute like Alfie, and Kip has that same air of derring-do and adventure that Ned has.

However, I don’t think you should tie yourself down to thinking you must have another short form name, just because Alfie and Ned have one. There’s plenty of other names that will still blend in nicely with your family.

You could pick a name that isn’t a nickname, but has a cute, nicknamey feel, like Remy. Or a surname name that has a casual, nicknamey vibe, like Digby or Murphy. Or a nickname that doesn’t come from a name, like Banjo, Dusty, or Sunny. There’s also short simple names, such as Rex – that would sound really handsome alongside your boys, and very alpha male with your surname.

Out of the names I’ve mentioned, I think my favourites would be Otis, Gus, Monty, Freddie, Kip, Digby, and Rex, but if you are truly out of ideas, I think you should let your imagination go wild. Eliminate names you really hate, and names in the Top 100 if that bothers you, then let yourself consider any name that sounds attractive and fits with your family. The results might surprise you!

UPDATE: The baby was a girl, and her name was Pearl!

POLL RESULTS
People’s favourite choices for a brother for Alfie and Ned were Otis (32%) and Gus (29%). If Pearl had been a boy, her name would have been Otis.

Rhett and Romeo

27 Friday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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Twins
Bryce Robert Alan and Brayden Alfred John
Ochre and Echo – both girls (twins Lily and Meg, Willow, Bay)

Girls
Adriana Audrey Renee (Greyson, Elliot)
Anastasia Elizabeth May (Charlotte)
Caroline Elise
Ciara Skye (Hudsen, Macy)
Clementine Florence (Lachlan, Patrick)
Daisy Jean (Maggie)
Eleanor Lillian (Trinity, Xander)
Elsa (Franz)
Emmeline Sarah Grace (Kayla, Joel)
Georgina Olivia Amy (Liliana)
Grace Jenna (Cadel, Emily)
Hazel Rose Constance (India)
Ilaria (Lucas)
Imogen Alice
Isla Summer
Liberty
Jett Joan
Matilda Jane (Harry, Wilbur)
Monique Lani (Riley, Tyler)
Nevaeh (Zaiden)
Phillipa Isabel (Leo)
Remy Charlotte
Selma
Sophia Clementine
Zoe Barbara (Grace, Naomi, Joshua)

Boys
Alexander Finn (Scarlett, Stella)
Atticus (Noah)
Austin Charles (Savannah, Memphis)
Bobby Dan (Jade, James, Jordan, Alfie)
Charlie Elian (Henry)
Edward Gena
Erik Walter (Hudson)
Felix Benjamin Rivett
Flynn Roderick Kingsley (Ryder, Lacey, Braxton)
Gabriel Ross David (Grace)
Giuseppe Costa (Lily Anastasia)
Hendrix Ashley
Jasper Orson (Ocean)
Joe Richard (Roy, Leo)
Leonardo Frank (Oliver, Sebastian)
Lloyd Patrick (Tiarna, Eamonn)
Matteo Domenic (Luca)
Oakley (Harlan)
Quinci (Dali, Eiki)
Rhett William (Alyssa)
Rohan (Noah)
Romeo John
Sam Louis Baxter (Alexander, Will, Zara)
Tyson Dene (Jessica, Jasmin, Jayde)
Zac Foti (Lucas)

Thank you to Brooke from Baby Name Pondering for her contributions from the Herald Sun.

(Photo shows Thorngrove Manor, in the Adelaide Hills)

Historical Naming Patterns in the House of Windsor – Part 2: Sisters for Prince George

22 Sunday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Naming Issues

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Last week I examined how babies have been named in the House of Windsor, with a look at the factors common to the names of those close to the throne. By following those methods used in the past, I looked at names that could be considered for a brother for Prince George.

In case you can’t be bothered reading the whole post, the basic thing to keep in mind is: names of royals (kings, queens, princes, and princesses) that are currently popular. Now it’s time to look at what a possible sister to Prince George could be called.

Elizabeth #39
There have been several princesses named Elizabeth, five British queens, and one queen of Scotland named Elizabeth; of course Elizabeth II is the current monarch, and her mother’s name was Elizabeth too. Elizabeth is also the middle name of the duchess. Current gossip says that Elizabeth is the name that the Duke and Duchess have already chosen for their baby, should they have a girl, and gained permission from the queen. As 2015 is the year that Queen Elizabeth is set to become the longest-reigning monarch in British history, it would seem like the perfect gesture, especially if the baby arrives on Queen Elizabeth’s birthday. A cute connection is that Lily could be used as the nickname, which is one of Catherine’s favourite flowers.
My rating: nine coronets

Alice #27
A name introduced to the royal family by Queen Victoria, there have been four princesses named Alice. The most recent was an aunt of Queen Elizabeth, who was married to the Governor-General of Australia, and lived here for two years after World War II. She reached the greatest age of anyone yet in the British royal family, passing away at the age of 102. Another was Alice of Battenberg, a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria who married into the Greek royal family, and became the mother of Prince Philip. Alice is one of Princess Anne’s middle names, and it is also a prominent name in the Spencer family, as Alice Spencer was a patron of the arts. And don’t George and Alice sound adorable together? No wonder this has often been tipped as a possibility.
My rating: eight and a half coronets

Victoria #88
This only became a British royal name with the accession of the teenaged Alexandrina, who used her middle name to rule as Queen Victoria. The last of the Hanoverians, the longest-reigning British monarch so far, and a powerful symbol of the British Empire, Victoria is an eminently suitable royal name which has been handed down to seven princesses – Queen Victoria’s mother was another Princess Victoria. In fact, Alice of Battenberg’s first name was Victoria, making this another possibility to honour the mother of Prince Philip. A popular choice with the bookies, Victoria is said to be one of Catherine’s favourite names (more gossip!). The timing is perhaps not as good as for Elizabeth, with the queen set to overtake Queen Victoria’s record reign next year.
My rating: eight coronets

Eleanor #57
This name was introduced to English royalty by Eleanor of Aquitaine, a wealthy, powerful French duchess who married Henry II, and was the mother of two kings – Richard I, and King John. Other medieval Eleanors married English kings, and the name was handed down to multiple princesses.  This seems a very suitable name for a princess; elegant and restrained with an impeccable royal pedigree. It’s the name of one of Prince William’s Spencer cousins, which isn’t necessarily a drawback – all three of Prince George’s names are shared with Spencer cousins.
My rating: seven and a half coronets

Amelia #1
There have been two British princesses named Amelia – one a daughter of George II, and the other a daughter of George III. The latter Amelia (called Emily) was beautiful and charming, and great hopes for held for her future, but unfortunately she died of measles, and her death devastated the royal family, helping to precipitate her father into madness. There is an Amelia in the Windsor family, a grand-daughter of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and one in the Spencer family as well, a cousin of Princes William and Harry, who is considered rather “wild”. There is no historical reason a #1 name would be rejected (the queen’s sister Princess Margaret had the #1 name of her era), and Amelia is in with a genuine chance, although it may come with some baggage.
My rating: six coronets

Sophia #15
This is a truly royal name, because Sophia of Hanover was the mother of King George I, and to be in the line of succession to the British throne, you must be a direct descendant of Sophia. There has been a queen named Sophia (George I’s wife), and three princesses, with the most recent being born in the 18th century. Sophia has been used as a middle name in the royal family fairly often, although I think George and Sophia as royal siblings are a bit much.
My rating: five coronets

Alexandra #102
Queen Alexandra was the wife of Edward VIII; a Danish princess by birth, she was elegant, fashionable, and extremely popular with the British public. There have been a number of princesses named Alexandra, including ones still living – a notable example is Princess Alexandra, who is a cousin of the queen, and one of the most active members of the royal family. It’s a popular royal middle name, and the queen herself has Alexandra as one of her middle names. To me this would be a slightly odd choice, as Alexander is one of Prince George’s middle names
My rating: four coronets

Sophie #9
This is a name from Prince Philip’s family, because Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark was the Duke of Edinburgh’s sister. Another family connection is that Prince Edward’s wife is named Sophie, and she has reportedly been a good friend to Catherine, as well as a favourite of Queen Elizabeth. Despite not being a name of a British queen or princess, I don’t think Sophie can be entirely ruled out.
My rating: three coronets

Charlotte #21
Queen Charlotte was the wife of George III, and there have been two Princess Charlottes in the British royal family named after her. The last one was Princess Charlotte of Wales, who died young in childbirth, deeply mourned by the public, who had hoped she would one day be queen. Although not used for a princess since, Charlotte is in use as a middle name in the current royal family. Charles Spencer, brother to Diana, Princess of Wales, has a very young daughter named Charlotte Diana, so a bit awkward to use it if the duke and duchess also want Diana as the middle name. Although the name could seem like a nod to Prince Charles, so far the royal family has not used feminised forms of male names to honour men. Charlotte is also the middle name of Pippa Middleton, sister to the duchess; although some people think this makes the name more likely, to me it makes it less likely, because the royals probably don’t want the name to seem as if it is honouring a commoner in-law.
My rating: two coronets

Isabella #8
This was a reasonably common royal name in the Middle Ages, introduced by a beautiful French countess who married King John. Another beautiful queen was the Isabella who married King Edward III; a French princess, she became known as The She-Wolf of France for her intrigues against her husband, which led to him being deposed, and their son Edward III becoming king. For ever after, she has been viewed as a femme fatale figure. This name has also been used in the Spencer family, but its wolfish image is problematic. I think it’s too ornate for a British princess, and the Twilight connection probably isn’t a help.
My rating: one coronet

Matilda #36
This name goes right back the beginning of English royalty, because Matilda of Flanders was the wife of William the Conqueror. There have been three other medieval English queens named Matilda, and one princess who became the Empress Matilda and claimed the English throne during a period of anarchy – she was never proclaimed queen, but rather Lady of the English, and her son was made king when he was old enough. In more modern times, Matilda has been used as a middle name within the royal family. This name would greatly please the royal family’s Australian subjects, although I can’t think of any reason why they would particularly want to please us, unless that toy bilby we gave Prince George was a bigger hit than it seemed at the time. I can’t say this is impossible, but it doesn’t seem at all likely.
My rating: one coronet

Emma #55
This royal name pre-dates the Norman Conquest, because Emma of Normandy married both Ethelred the Unready and Cnut the Great, and was the mother of Edward the Confessor, once regarded as a patron saint of England. She was the first English queen to have a portrait, and was both rich and influential. Despite being way, way back, she is an ancestor of the current royal family. However, I do think this is just too mists-of-timey.
My rating: half a coronet

Edith #164
Edith was a common royal name in Anglo-Saxon times, and one princess named Edith was a saint. Edith of Essex was the wife of Edward the Confessor, and highly influential. While this is very ancient history, Matilda of Scotland, who married Henry II and was the mother of the Empress Matilda, was baptised Edith, only receiving the Norman name Matilda upon her marriage to a Norman king. Although she was a stand-out queen, and the link between modern royalty and the Anglo-Saxon kings, this is a pretty flimsy connection, and regrettably it seems most unlikely, although personally I would love it. So English, so regal, so refined, and quite a fashionable name to boot.
My rating: half a coronet

Maria #83
Maria d’Este was an Italian princess who became queen through marrying James II, but she was known as Queen Mary in England until her husband fled to France during the Glorious Revolution. Too foreign.
My rating: zero coronets

Beatrice #95
This has a long, if sparing, use as a royal name. Beatrice of England was the daughter of Henry III, while Queen Victoria had both a daughter and a grand-daughter called Princess Beatrice. It’s currently in use by Princess Beatrice of York, Prince William’s cousin, and her name was considered an unusual choice at the time. As she is the daughter of the controversial Prince Andrew, I don’t think this is in with any sort of chance.
My rating: zero coronets

Unlike the potential princely names, which had no glaringly obvious choice, there are some very clear winners for a princess. I am tipping Elizabeth, Alice, or Victoria, with some chance of Eleanor or Amelia, and Sophia as an outsider. With solid options on the girls’ list, I can’t see any reason why the royals would need to look beyond it, and feel pretty confident one of the names in this post will be used.

UPDATE: The royal baby was a princess named Charlotte!

POLL RESULTS
People’s favourite choices for a princess were Alice, Victoria, and Eleanor. 10% of people voted for Elizabeth, and 9% voted for Charlotte, the next two most popular choices. Nobody voted for the names Sophie or Maria. 3% of people felt that the royal couple would start a new trend in baby names, which was very far from happening – the chosen name fits in well with all the historical naming patterns identified in the articles.

(Picture shows a photo of Queen Elizabeth II as a very young child – could there soon be another Princess Elizabeth in the House of Windsor?)

Cloud Zen and Eden Zephyr

20 Friday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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Girls
Ada Aiko
Annabelle Farley “Belle” (Felicity, James)
Avery Hope (Eden, Sam, Imogen)
Beatrice Victoria (Caroline)
Cadence Rose (Bonnie, Samson)
Dakoda Jewels (Tiarna, Latoya, Mikayla, Tahlia)
Dulcie Autumn (Molly, Isla, Wyatt, Violet, Abel, Nyle)
Eleanor Ruth
Elsie Bess (Campbell, Isla)
Evie Lola (Tom, Charlie)
Hazel May (Delilah)
Ijana (Owen, Katja)
Isla Jennifer Joy (Chace)
Koa (Jailyn, Mila)
Leilani Seruia (Emanuel)
Melody Paula Faye
Miranda Cate
Moriah (Esafe, Sheerah)
Phillipa Vera (Jessica)
Polly Dot
Reeve Milah (Dante, Tanner)
Scarlett Rosemary (Oscar)
Varli Lee (Kodi, Tori)
Victoria Evelyn Larkin
Whitney Estella (Ryder, Soraya)

Boys
Angus Clancy
Austin Sinclair
Brooklyn (Chanel)
Buddy Fred (Henry, Charlie, Harry, Johnny)
Carter Shane Taia
Cloud Zen
Douglas Gregory (Christian, Kyle, Imogen)
Eden Zephyr
Felix Lars (Lola, Angus)
Gideon Paul
Hugo Patrick (Anastasia, Rupert)
Humphrey Ross (Archie, Evie)
Jacob Edward
Lachlan Fisher (Hamish, Isabel)
Laeton Clem
Leo Bobby
Milano John (Marchesa, Gabriel)
Murphy Sidney (Quinn, Fraser, Emmett)
Nathaniel Leslie (Hayley)
Quinnten Hunter James (Tayla, Amber, Braxton, Faith)
Rocco Ellis (Sonny)
Sasha Jasper (Noah)
Sidney (Gaia)
Theodore Laurence “Theo” (Xavier)
Vin (Mason)

(Picture shows clouds over Yanchep, north of Perth; photo from Angie in Yanchep)

Historical Naming Patterns in the House of Windsor – Part 1: Brothers for Prince George

15 Sunday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Naming Issues

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In 2012 I did an article on the historical naming of British monarchs, in preparation for the birth to the next heir to the throne, who turned out to be Prince George Alexander Louis – a slight score for me, as these were the first three boys’ names I suggested.

As Prince George is now expecting a brother or sister, I thought we’d take on what is a rather more difficult challenge – the naming of younger siblings of the future monarch: “spares” to the heir.

I haven’t gone back to the misty beginnings of English royalty, or to William the Conqueror, or even to the House of Hanover, or the reign of Queen Victoria. This will be a modern prince or princess born in the 21st century, and I thought that just looking at those close to the throne in the House of Windsor would be quite enough information.

I earlier looked at the “rules” of naming monarchs, and found that there are also “rules” to naming a monarch’s siblings. We can keep these guidelines in mind as we go, to ensure our expectations remain realistic.

  • All those who were the child of a monarch or an heir to the throne had a name earlier used by royalty – what we think of as traditional English royal names.
  • Nearly all of them had a name that had earlier been used for a British prince or princess. Those that didn’t had names of previous kings and queens. Not one was given an obscure royal name.
  • Perhaps surprisingly, very few of them seem to have been directly named after a relative or family member (although in some cases that information may have been kept private). Those that were, were named after royal grandparents or great-grandparents, usually deceased. Feminisations of male names for girls have not been been used so far (although female Windsors are less common than males, so there is less data to work from).
  • In my earlier article, I pointed out that monarchs were almost never given a name from royalty’s distant past, and that expecting a Queen Matilda or a King Edmund was therefore a forlorn hope. However, not so with a monarch’s siblings. Some were given a name from hundreds of years ago, and one or two even had names from the Middle Ages, so a wider variety of names can be considered.
  • Re-using royal and family names is common, even if there are other members of the royal family who are still alive with the same name – hardly surprising when they are drawing upon a relatively limited number of names. So we can’t rule out a name just because it’s already in use by a cousin or great-uncle. This applies to titles: it seems to be fine for there to be another Prince Soandso, as they can be told apart by their full title. For example, Prince Edward, Earl of Essex doesn’t get muddled with his mother’s cousin, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. Again, this widens the pool slightly.
  • All those who were the child of a monarch or an heir to the throne were given a name that was relatively popular at the time of their birth. Nearly all of them had a name in the Top 100 for their era, while none had a name below the Top 200. This drastically shrinks the number of names on the table.

To find possible names for the siblings of Prince George, in theory all it takes is cross-referencing the UK Top 200 with a list of British royalty (kings, queens, princes, and princesses). Let’s see what the results are for a possible brother to Prince George, a future prince of the United Kingdom, once we remove Prince George’s own three names (slightly risky, as royals have been known to receive a sibling’s middle name as their first name).

Arthur #43
While the idea of a King Arthur would invite ridicule, a Prince Arthur seems suitable. In use by the English monarchy since the Middle Ages, it is a traditional royal name. Queen Victoria’s favourite son was Prince Arthur, while his son was the most recent Prince Arthur, born in the 19th century. The queen’s father had Arthur as one of his middle names, as do Prince Charles and Prince William, so this would link a prince with his father, grandfather, and great-great grandfather. I like the idea, and George and Arthur sound good as brothers. But do the royals consider this middle name material only?
My rating: seven and a half coronets

Frederick #82
There have been three Prince Fredericks, with the most recent the second son of King George III, born in the 18th century. The name is in use by the royal family; for example, Lord Frederick “Freddie” Windsor. Frederick is also a traditional name in the Spencer family, which makes this seem eminently suitable. George and Frederick sound great as brothers – maybe too much so, as this fraternal combination has already been used, by J.K. Rowling! Could the royals cope with the princes being dubbed The Weasley Twins by the press? I hope so.
My rating: seven coronets

Alfred #136
Alfred the Great was King of Wessex, a direct ancestor of the current royal family, so this name has some serious royal clout. There have been three Prince Alfreds, with the most recent a grandson of Queen Victoria who was born in the 19th century. He’s thought to have shot himself after going mad from syphilis, which doesn’t seem that auspicious (although his only crime was being born before the discovery of penicillin). I hope this isn’t a stumbling block, as George and Alfred sound perfect as brothers, while the popular nickname Alfie is very lovable.
My rating: seven coronets

James #9
James is a very royal name, because St James’s Palace is the official residence of the monarchy. As a prince’s name it could be problematic, because the only Prince James was the Scottish “Old Pretender”, who illegally claimed the British throne. Another slight issue is that Prince Edward’s young son is named James, Viscount Severn, and although he isn’t a prince, there is a legal question mark over his non-princely status that an actual Prince James may underline.

A traditional name in the Scottish monarchy, two of Scotland’s King Jameses have been kings of England, ruling as James I and II. With Scotland voting to remain part of the union, the royal family may be eager to choose a Scottish name.

My main objection is that I don’t much like George and James as royal brothers: to me they are too alike and could be confused in public announcements. I feel the heir to the throne needs a distinctive name, and would prefer James in the middle. However, the royals may think differently.
My rating: five and a half coronets

Charles #61
Prince Charles will be the hypothetical prince’s grandfather, and Charles is a traditional British royal name. There have been two kings named Charles, and several princes with the name, controversially including Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Young Pretender of the Jacobite cause. Charles is a name which comes from the Stuarts, and you could see this as another pro-union Scottish choice. It’s also traditional in the Spencer family, and presumably wouldn’t even be shared for that long, as Prince Charles is due to become king. There is nothing concrete against it, but my gut says no to this, except in the middle. (My gut is often wrong though).
My rating: five coronets

Henry #18
Wonderfully royal, the name Henry has been borne by eight kings and several princes, and is already in use by Prince William’s brother, known as Harry. A non-ruling prince hasn’t been given the name of an uncle before, and while this could happen, I don’t think it shows much imagination for a second son to be given the same name as the previous second son. Besides, what nickname could they give him, because Harry’s taken?
My rating: two and a half coronets

William #8
A suitable royal name, borne by four kings, and multiple princes going back to the Middle Ages. One of those princes is the Duke of Cambridge himself. Although it’s not impossible that a son could be named after him, it’s never been done before in the House of Windsor. Even in non-royal families, it’s not considered traditional for a second son to be named for his father, so this would be a surprise.
My Rating: two coronets

Edward #33
While Edward VIII ruined this name for a future king by his abdication, it’s still fine for a prince, and there have been several Prince Edwards. In fact, there are already two Prince Edwards – the son of Queen Elizabeth, and her cousin. Adding a third seems going a bit far to me.
My Rating: two coronets

David #50
This is a name from Scotland’s royalty. David I was a medieval King of Scotland, who had a strong relationship with the English monarchy, and married an English bride. This is another Scottish choice to celebrate the union, but the royal family have only used this as a middle name (it’s one of Prince Harry’s middle names).
My rating: one coronet

Michael #53
There is already a prince with this name in the royal family, the queen’s cousin, Prince Michael of Kent. He was named after his ancestor, Grand Duke Michael of Russia, and this is not a traditional British royal name. I don’t consider this name likely at all, although not impossible as a middle name.
My rating: half a coronet

Robert #98
A name from Scottish royalty, with the best known example Robert I, or Robert the Bruce, one of Scotland’s national heroes. He fought against England in the Wars of Independence, and because of him, the English crown was forced to recognise Scotland as an independent country. Not only does this name seem anti-union, there is a horrible ballad called Prince Robert, about a man who is poisoned by his mother. Despite being a traditional name in the Spencer family, I can’t feel happy about this.
My rating: half a coronet

Albert #99
Prince Albert was consort to Queen Victoria, and his name became traditional in the royal family as either a first or middle name. The last Prince Albert became King George VI, the queen’s father, and using this name would be a nice gesture were it not for the genital piercing called the Prince Albert. This is a non-starter in my book, although very likely as a middle name.
My rating: zero coronets

John #107
As mentioned in the earlier article, this name has been forbidden in the royal family.
My rating: zero coronets

Andrew #154
Prince Andrew is the second son of Queen Elizabeth, and he is named after his paternal grandfather, Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark. Because his name is not from English royalty, and because the prince is currently embroiled in an international paedophile scandal, his name is unlikely to be used.
My rating: zero coronets

So judging by history, my picks for the prince’s name would be Arthur, Frederick, or Alfred, with an outside chance of James or Charles. There is no overwhelming contender, as there was with Prince George’s name, so I wonder if a surprise choice is on the way, or if a new trend in royal names will make itself felt. Perhaps a royal name from further down the popularity charts is on its way?

UPDATE: The royal baby was a princess named Charlotte, so none of the names for a prince were necessary after all.

POLL RESULTS
People’s favourite choices for a possible prince were Arthur, Frederick, and Alfred, while the names William and Andrew received no votes at all. The 4% of people who thought the royal couple would start their own trend in baby names were obviously off base.

(Picture is of Queen Victoria with her son Prince Arthur, a painting by Franz Xaver Winterhalter)

Can Cousins Be Named Mai$ie and Macy?

07 Saturday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Naming Assistance

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Vanessa and her husband are expecting their fourth child next month. They already have a son named Darcy, and two daughters named Molly and Matilda, and would like a traditional name which fits in with this sibset.

They live in a rural area, and would like a “country” style name which would suit their farming background (by this they mean an Australian country name, not an American “cowboy” type name). If they have a boy, they are considering the name Digby, which is the name of a good friend.

If they have a girl, they have fallen in love with the name Mai$ie. However, Vanessa’s sister-in-law, who lives not too far away and who she is reasonably close to, is expecting a baby girl several weeks after her, and is planning to call her daughter Macy.

Vanessa thinks Mai$ie and Macy are two separate names that are pronounced in different ways. Unfortunately, her sister-in-law disagrees. She believes that Vanessa has “betrayed” her, and “stolen her thunder”, and has made every effort to cut Vanessa out of her life (as much as is possible when you are family members living nearby).

Vanessa is having trouble understanding what her sister-in-law’s issue is, and she wonders what people think of this problem.

* * * * * * * *

I’ll get straight to the sister-in-law issue, which I suspect is your main reason for writing in. This is an extension of the “name stealing” issue – some people not only want their child to be the only one (in their family or their town) with a particular name, but they don’t want anyone else to choose a name which even sounds alike. This is a problem, as there are so many names which sound similar to other names that obeying this request can seriously limit your pool of name choices.

That your sister-in-law feels “betrayed” suggests that she announced her name choice before you did, and is now angry that you picked a name that she sees as uncomfortably close to her favourite name, Macy. I wonder if this is her first baby, as that might increase feelings of wanting to feel “special”: in any case, she probably feels that announcing Macy’s name will have had a bit of shine taken off it.

Funnily enough, the last couple who wrote in to the blog considering the name Digby had a name-stealing issue too, as friends of theirs already had a son named Digby. After some deep soul-searching, and considering other names they could use instead, they decided to use Digby anyway, as it was the only name they really loved. Their friends were quite upset over their choice, and after that things became quite cool between them.

The trouble is, it’s a bit harder to just press on regardless when it’s a family member who is upset with your decision. This is your sister-in-law, who lives an hour’s drive away and who you felt quite close to. You’ve already had a taste of being cold-shouldered for just thinking about using the name Mai$ie, and I’m sure it’s made things quite awkward and unpleasant for you, and possibly for the extended family as well.

As you previously got on fairly well, I hope you will be able to get your relationship with your sister-in-law back on track. If you are are able to talk to her, it might be an idea to find out what exactly she is so upset about. Does she hate the idea of the cousins having similar names that might be confused, as they will be very close in age? Or does she just hate the idea of you being the first?

As both of you are aware you are due to give birth before her, and are therefore in the stronger position, and the default “winner” in this situation. I wonder what she would do if the positions were reversed – would she kindly step aside and choose a different name for her daughter so that you could have Mai$ie? Something tells me that she would stick with Macy, even though it meant risking having two cousins with similar names.

The basic etiquette in this situation is “first in, best dressed”. As the “loser” with less power in this situation, it is her role to accept this as gracefully as she can, and to realise that she has the choice of either picking a different name (if she can’t bear the thought of cousins named Mai$ie and Macy), or of learning to live with the situation if she can’t bear the thought of giving up the name Macy.

As the “winner”, it is your role to be as gracious, understanding, and sympathetic to her plight as possible. It’s perfectly okay to be sorry that she’s unhappy without feeling responsible for it, or changing your behaviour to suit her. You can let her know that you didn’t have any intention to hurt her, and that if you have a daughter named Mai$ie, it won’t in any way make her little Macy any less special, or loved, or welcomed into the family.

I don’t think it would be helpful to your relationship with your sister-in-law for you to choose another name, unless you genuinely feel that this whole episode has spoiled the name Mai$ie for you, or you fall in love with another name.

If you name your daughter Mai$ie as you always intended, then most likely she will eventually get over it, especially if she finds that the names aren’t any huge problem, and that the whole family easily copes with having a Mai$ie and a Macy. Be brave, and be prepared to continue being gracious and compassionate to your sister-in-law until everyone gets used to it.

And most of all, don’t make too big a deal about any of this until the baby is born, as you don’t even know at this point whether you are having a girl at all. It would be silly to have a big fight or a huge drama over something that might never happen. It might be a good idea to gently remind your sister-in-law that for all you know, it is a boy on the way for you.

In some ways, it would be rather convenient if you did have a boy – I’m sure your sister-in-law thinks so, anyway! If you did, Digby would be a great choice. It’s a handsome name, has a nice country feel to it while also being quite hip, and is a lovely way to honour your friend.

Readers, what do you think about Vanessa’s “name-stealing” dilemma, and what advice do you have for her?

Obi Rex and Zeb Barry

06 Friday Feb 2015

Posted by A.O. in Birth Announcements

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name combinations, sibsets, twin sets

 

 

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Liana Belle and Tynan Andrew (Alara)
Marcus Patrick and Travis Patrick

Girls
Adelaide Zoe
Annabel Western Susan
Ayla Jill (Ella)
Bella Catherine Lynn
Chloe Jane (Reef)
Evie Annie Ada
Felicity Fay (Hayden)
Floredre
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Genevieve Hope (Anna)
Georgia Dale
Grace Anissa
Liara Louise
Luca Lucia
Madelyn Min (Taylor)
Molly Glenda
Nyah Lilly
Poppy Gwendoline Rose
Scarlett Belle (Edwin)
Tabitha Wendy (Holly, Kinzie)
Tayla Destiny
Thea Frances (Elijah, Meggie)
Trinity Elizabeth (Ayrton, Jensen)
Xana-Lee
Zara Jean (Jake, Max)

Boys
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Aston Edward James (Isla)
Aurelio Fabrizio (Emilio, Dante)
Barlin (Emery)
Cecil Joshua (Amelia, Juliet)
Clancy Cash (Olive)
Eli Nathaniel
Floyd
Gadsby
Henry Beau
Jack Ronan
Joel Dean Hutchinson (Ava, Elise)
Kingston Mark (Hunter, Lennox)
Lachlan Alfred
Micah Bryce (Addison, Ella)
M-J
Obi Rex
Oliver Lyell (Harlee, Jayda, Nikita)
Rafael John (Josiah, Xavier)
Remy Louis Patrick (Hudson, Matilda)
Rhythm
Taj Peter
Vincent Van (Lincoln)
William Hugh (James Michael)
Zeb Barry

(Picture shows The Pyramid of the Dawn at Founders Square in Concordia Capital District in The Province of Aurora in the Empire of Atlantium. The Empire of Atlantium is a sovereign state located in the Lachlan River Valley of New South Wales: it was originally formed in 1981 by three teenagers; photo from its Facebook page).

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