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Interview with Zeffy from Baby Names from Yesteryear

16 Sunday Feb 2014

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Winterhalter_Eugenie_1855Zeffy is the enthusiastic blogger at Baby Names from Yesteryear, which features wonderful, winning, and sometimes slightly wacky names from history. Whether you enjoy names of English gentlemen, ladies from antiquity, or contemporary British royals, you will find many beautiful names which are elegant, elaborate and eccentric. You will also find names from South America, and names from Zeffy’s own family tree. One of my favourites of Zeffy’s posts is an extremely sweet story about one of her sentimental favourites – I dare you to read it without either smiling tenderly or getting a tear in your eye. Zeffy has been away from blogging for a year, but she’s back (hooray!!!), and this is a chance to catch up with her and find out what Zeffy is short for.

What is your name? 
Sephora. I go by Zeffy online, a nickname given to me by my loopy, but incredibly sweet, university professor.

Have you ever wished you had a different name?
Have I ever! I’ve disliked my name for most of my life. As a child, all I wanted was a nice common name, something like Jessica or Rebecca, so I could blend in. I was a bit shy as a child so I hated being different from everyone else. It was only when I got to my late teens that I realised my name was quite nice and fitted my personality very well. I would never consider changing it now – having such an unusual name is a big part of my identity.

How did you become interested in names?
It goes back to having an unusual name. I’ve always wanted to know where my name came from, what it meant, how it came to be used. My curiosity stemmed from having absolutely no clue about my name’s origins. I guess my interest in names in general dates back to when I started school and noticed that I was the only one whose name wasn’t “normal”. Since then I’ve always loved reading about names and looking up meanings. There hasn’t been a time when I haven’t been interested in names and their stories.

How did you become interested in names from the past?
I’m obsessed with history. I’ve always been interested in the history of people’s lives, particularly focusing on the social and private life of early 19th century English aristocrats. There’s something very fascinating about discovering the small details of what people 200 years ago ate for breakfast, where they bought their boots from, why they married who they did, and what they named their children. That’s what attracts me to names from the past – it’s a glimpse into the personal and private life of someone who lived hundreds of years ago.

What inspired you to begin a name blog?
I came across The Gentleman’s Magazine during my last year of university. I was meant to be researching contemporary reviews for Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man, but I kept flipping back and having a look through all the wedding announcements. Once I left university, I had a heck of a lot of time on my hands, and I really don’t deal well with boredom. I had to find a project to do before I completely lost my sanity. I thought about all the lovely names I’d read and decided to share them. I knew there had to be someone out there who was equally as interested in Georgian era names as I was. I couldn’t be the only one who oohed and ahhed over them!

Do you have a favourite blog entry on Baby Names from Yesteryear?
I really enjoyed writing about The Patronesses of Almack’s and Popular Names of the Georgian Era. They hit on my favourite time period in history so I can’t help but have a soft spot for them. Having said that, the posts I tend to like the most are those which required me to really do research, to look through a number of sources before hitting name gold. I’m such a geek, I know.

Do you have a pet peeve in regard to names? 
When people think that many of the current trends are a modern concept. People have been naming their children all sorts of weird and wonderful things for hundreds, even thousands, of years. Masculine names on girls, surnames used as first names, nature names, unusual names … it’s all been done before, so let’s not get in a tizzy about them now.

There’s also something about the word “unique” which I find unrealistic. The chance of any name being unique is truly slim, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to change spellings in search for uniqueness.

What are some of your favourite names? 
A few of my current favourites are Minerva, Emmeline, Margaux, Josephine and Magdalene. For boys, Alexander, Lucien, Mikael and Hart are long time favourites. I think Noa is absolutely darling. Tierney, Seren, Clover, Lyra, Orion and Shia are just a few that are on my favourites list.

What names do you dislike?
I’ve never been a fan of overly “cute” names, on girls or boys, for a number of reasons. Children don’t need cute names to be cute. A lot of names that fall into that category for me have really taken off in England and Wales where there is currently a trend for over-the-top cuteness, especially on the girls’ side. There’s a message behind that trend which I’m not comfortable with.

I’m also not at all keen on the Mae/May/Mai hyphenated names which are very popular over here. It feels like half the female population under the age of 5 answers to Something-Mae. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike Mae or May. Just please, please stop hyphenating it!

Are there any names you love, but could never use?
So, so many. Hyacinth is always in the back of my mind, but I think of Hyacinth Bucket [from sit-com Keeping Up Appearances]and it’s over. Millicent is another. I really love how it sounds, but not how it looks. Ptolemy is probably the biggest one. Why does the P have to be silent?! I so wish it wasn’t; it would be a serious contender then.

What are your favourite names in the UK Top 100?
Eleanor (#63) and Alexander (#27).

What are your favourite names that have never charted in the UK?
Sanceline and Holland.

Do you have any names picked out for your future children? 
Not really. Children haven’t crossed my mind yet so it’s all up in the air. If, however, I were to have a baby at this exact moment, I guess it would be something like Emmeline Clover, Emmeline Jane Noa, or Noa Emmeline Jane. I adore Jane. I know it has in the past been overused in the middle spot, but it’s lovely and I can’t help myself. For a boy, it would be Alexander Lucien or Shia Alexander. I think when it comes down to it, I won’t be as tame in my choices. It’s fun having a name on the unusual side so I think I’ll go down that path. But who knows?!

What is something we don’t know about you?
I’m incapable or remaining serious for very long. Trying to answer your questions without making silly and inappropriate jokes hasn’t been easy! Also, I love exclamation marks 🙂

What advice would you give someone who was choosing a baby name?
I wouldn’t. I don’t have any children so I don’t know anything about how hard the naming process is or the pressures of it. I only wish all parents would put as much time as possible into choosing their child’s name. Your child has to live with their name every single day. That’s a big thing. Take it seriously! (Yay, got to use an exclamation mark again.)

(Painting shown is Eugenie, Empress of the French and Her Ladies by Franz Xaver Winterhalter; 1855 – one of the many lovely illustrations on Zeffy’s blog)

The Tide is High at Mer de Noms

18 Sunday Sep 2011

Posted by A.O. in Blog Reviews

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I first got to know Lou when I realised she was following my blog. I think that was when I found out that WordPress doesn’t alert you if another WP user hits the “follow” button; you have to haunt your own dashboard with stalkeresque obsession to discover this. Up until that point, I barely knew I had a dashboard, so much of a novice was I.

Naturally I went and checked her blog out, although at first I thought it was called Merde Noms, which struck me as either aggressively punk or unnecessarily modest. Eventually I worked out that it was actually Mer de Noms, with the subtitle Floating Around in the Oncoming Tide of Names. The blog’s name is a reference to the debut album of rock band A Perfect Circle.

Lou is an English girl from Nottingham, a city most of us are familiar with, because of the dastardly Sheriff who gave Robin Hood such a hard time in the stories. According to her avatar photo, she has long, wavy, red hair, and cunningly hides her real identity behind dark glasses.

At first we bonded over neither of us being from America, but luckily there was so much more to her blog than not being American, as membership of the Commonwealth can only take you so far.

I immediately became a fan of her crammed-suitcase style of blog writing, where multiple subjects are covered under the one heading. For example, in this blog entry on names from her French textbook, she also manages to cover the Canadian Grand Prix, the drought in England, other blogs she has read that week, family names, her gay cousin’s wife’s cat called Edith, and sisterly nicknames.

The thing I like most about Lou’s blog is that she is an avid, even obsessive, name collector, and will find names absolutely everywhere. You might not think that a teenager’s life in a small Midlands city would yield a rich crop of interesting names, but you would be wrong.

A visit to the Tate Gallery in Liverpool gives rise to an examination of the name Tate for boys. A disturbingly empty pantry leads to a long shopping list of herb and spice names, both homely and exotic. The late-night BBC Shipping Forecast listened to while kept awake with nausea makes her ponder the names of British seas and waterways.

Sport is a major focus of name inspiration for Lou, who keenly follows English football, rugby, cricket, and motorsports. The names of sporting stadiums provided the subject matter for one blog; Jenson Button, Lou’s favourite F1 star, has worked his way into many entries discussing the popularity of his name; and the name of Silverstone Circuit itself has been analysed. Her French studies are also zealously mined for name material, with not only French textbooks, but French dictionaries, French films, and French place names encountered on school trips proving valuable resources.

Other popular name-gathering areas are family and friends, children’s books, video games, television, English place names, music, and names of British celebrities. Celebrity babies are announced, as are interesting happenings in the blogosphere.

A favourite blog idea is to suggest alternatives to popular names, unconventional long forms for common nicknames, and unexpected nicknames for standard names. There’s also name data – lots of name data. A dedicated number cruncher, there’s nothing Lou enjoys more than looking at the popularity of names, whether aristocratic, natural, common, rare, or double-barrelled.

Lou has been on WordPress for over a year, and started out on Blogspot, so she’s an experienced blogger by now. She releases male and female Names of the Week; Name Spot of the Week, where she looks at a particular name or group of names; Sibset of the Week, where the families of famous people are brought to light; and Weekend Posts, which look at all manner of naming issues.

These can be found by clicking on The Week, and going to the drop-down menus for each category. I think she has made work for herself there, as she could have sorted them into WordPress Categories and then added a Category Menu, but it’s perfectly neat and easy to use.

She also has Master Lists for Male and Female Names on the blog, offers her ten favourite posts under Get Started, and is busy working on providing popularity data for each name as well. There aren’t any tags on her blog entries, but she does have a handy search bar called Browse Some More, so it is relatively easy to find things.

When I first subscribed to Lou’s blog, it had the Gray-Z theme, which looked cool and grungy, but never quite struck me as in tune with the blog’s subject matter. Recently, she swapped over to the mellower Notepad, which seems like a better fit. In line with this revamp, she joined Twitter, and you may follow her there by simply clicking the blue button. You can also easily subscribe to the RSS feed by clicking the orange button right next to it.

These changes all let you know that the blog is growing and evolving. Lou’s blog posts from last year are slightly stiff and self-conscious, as is common for nearly all of us when we first begin to blog. I think that she has found her voice as a writer, and developed a more confident, relaxed and chatty style which is very readable. She’s settled into a tolerant and egalitarian stance toward naming, and demonstrates that mixture of sturdy practicality and fey anarchy which we think of as the hallmark of the English character.

Lou’s ideas on names, and mine, are quite harmonious, and I have at times stolen ideas found inspiration from her blog. She is a conscientious and considerate commenter on other people’s blogs, so if you can snag her as a subscriber you’re on a good wicket. Unfortunately for me, her opinions on names seem to correspond so well with my own that I’m often left racking my brains to come up with something to add to other people’s blogs, as “Yeah what she said” seems an inadequate response.

What you get at Mer de Noms is a name blog from a modern English perspective, plenty of zippy Gen-Z ideas, savvy insights into the blogosphere, and a very broad scoop from the sea of names. The tide is rising, and this is a young blogger who’s going places. The next generation of naming is here, and the future is in safe hands.

Q & A With Lou

Name: I’m Lucy Emma, if we’re going to be strictly honest about it, even though I regularly lie and say that I’m Lucy Emmeline. Generally speaking, I mostly go by the short form Lou, namely because people were starting to shorten my name to Luce, which they said the same as the word loose, not exactly the best thing to have shouted at you in public. I also consider Lucy to be a rather girly name, not perhaps fitting for a girl who can rattle off all the names of current drivers in F1. Since shortening down to Lou, I’ve had people calling me Lo instead, proof you never can win with some people.

Name you would like to have: Sometimes I wish my parents had gone with their initial front-runner, Demelza, but then I wouldn’t have been Lou, a name I’ve grown fond of. Out of all the names you could get Lou from that aren’t Lucy, I think I lean heavily towards Luca or Lucretia. I met a female Harry the other day, a name I reckon I could’ve rocked just as well, albeit perhaps as a short form of Harriet.

What began your interest in names?: I’m the eldest of four, so I think it started when I was six, and about to welcome my second sibling, who was due to arrive in a few weeks. My parents let me join in on the naming discussion, not thinking I would amount to much; I promptly started campaigning for the name Jack because I thought it’d be nice for him to share his name with the game (not that I told my parents that reasoning). Unbelievably, my parents actually used the name, and so things looked good when another sister turned up when I was nine. They failed to use my choice that time, the botanical Clover. 

How did you start blogging?: One of the rules of life I live by is Thumper’s [from Bambi] – if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all; this makes life on name boards difficult when you’re faced with the suggestion of Elixyvett. I eventually had to pull myself out because I hated seeing people’s front-runners torn apart by the unforgiving. Afterwards, I just limited myself to blogs, but couldn’t really identify with the few that were going at that time. Mostly because, since most were American ones, they were out of step with the current styles here in England, so I just started my own.

Your favourite blog entry on Mer de Noms: I’m still quite satisfied with my post on Gyles Brandreth’s kids. I remember I only knew the first names initially when I wrote up the post, but I then combed all sources available to me looking for the middle names, to see if they’d gone traditional, or equally eye-popping, with them.

I also really enjoyed writing my post on names in British comedy, since that’s pretty much all I watch on the TV, aside from the news and sports.

Your pet naming peeve: I always feel bad for the guys, since female names are usually covered in much more breadth than male names are; I know I’m as guilty as this as everyone else. Of course, my other pet peeve is seeing great names cast aside because someone on the Internet hated it and told you your child would be ridiculed for having such an unusual name – I grew up with a female Brogan who’s never had issues with having a male name.

Your favourite names: Right now, I find myself drawn to short and fun names, things like Beck, Mika, Wren and Kit, but I’m an indecisive person – shelves of biscuits [cookies] in the shop can and have caused much distress for me – so I fully expect to embrace names like Deborah or Meredith in the near future. I also know that I tend to lean towards male names that aren’t exactly butch; I consider all of the above names male. (editorial note: surely not Deborah?!)

Names you dislike: A style of naming I’m not 100% behind is naming your child after a famed person with a notable name, who is still alive. It is kind of rich coming from me, since I love Jenson, but I’m a cynical person and I know there’s still every chance that Button could still do something really dodgy, not dissimilar from the Tiger Woods saga of last year; an example of a name pretty much ruined overnight by its most famous bearer.

Names you love, but can’t use: I love the name Clover, but alas, sister #2 kind of has dibs on that name (I also decided about a year ago that I love Jack, go figure!). When I found out that the name Wren is used pretty much equally for males and females here in England & Wales, the name really clicked for me as a name for a lad instead of a lass, although I do believe the name is set to begin to rise as a female name. I also quite like the name Nancy, but my Great Auntie is one, and my family truly hates the idea of family names, something I’m more than happy to honour.

Your future children’s names: I have names in the back of my head, which I’d love to use – Darcey, Stanley, Jenson, Harry, Flora – but right now I’ve no idea whether I’ll still like them when/if I have children. The only name I’ve consistently loved for years is Cassius, and perhaps Zuleika.

The one piece of advice you would give to someone choosing a name for their baby: No name another person loves can ever be better than the one you love. Going around the naming forums, you pick up on the same scenario quite a few times: you and your partner love this one name so completely, but someone else – usually a family member – tries to write if off. One of my sisters would’ve been Isobel if my Nana hadn’t intervened.

Scale the Heights at Appellation Mountain

14 Sunday Aug 2011

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It’s almost absurd of me to write a review of this blog – and a bit cheeky too, since it’s a long-established part of the blogosphere, and I’m just a noob. I feel like the stereotypical MC who introduces an honoured guest with the phrase, “This is someone who needs no introduction,” and then goes on to say rather a lot about them. However, I have to start somewhere, and this one is at the top of my Blog Roll.

Abby has been blogging for more than three and a half years, and as she is an entry-a-day writer, that’s an impressive amount of name information that’s been released. Her blog is called Appellation Mountain, which is a pun on the Appalachian Mountains – a conceit I’m not sure would be immediately apparent to someone outside North America. (At least, it took me a moment to figure it out.)

And that’s basically what you get at Appellation Mountain – a mountain of names. Its subtitle is Where every name has a story, and whereas many of us have gone into niche name blogging, the turf of Appellation Mountain is every name out there. It’s an almost staggering aspiration – like someone casually announcing they plan to build a full-scale model of the Great Wall of China in their backyard. Yet Abby is patiently making the mountain higher each day by adding another name to it.

At Appellation Mountain, you can learn about classic names like Henry and Jane, popular names like Ethan and Willow, modern names like Indigo and Madison, old-fashioned names like Donald and Lois, ancient names like Alaric and Hypatia, and exotic names like Zoltan and Sumarlina. Each entry looks at the history of the name and how its fits into our cultural consciousness; meaning is discussed, but is less important than the story of the name. Modern names often turn out to have surprisingly long heritages, and common names to have fascinating stories attached.

Each entry ends by examining how usable the name is, what advantages and drawbacks there are, and what kind of person may be drawn to the name. These conclusions are always well-balanced and thoughtful, and often creative. Abby is a brilliant and witty writer with an almost flawless prose style, and she is very convincing in her persuasions to use or not use a name.

A big part of the fun of Appellation Mountain is the community aspect, because the blog has a legion of dedicated fans who love to express their opinions of, and share their experiences with, each name. I’ve learnt a lot from informative comments, and found others delightfully humorous. If you would like to follow Abby all over the Internet, she writes for Nameberry each Monday, and she is also on Facebook and Twitter, although I don’t see anywhere on the blog where you can easily find that out. Not that she needs to attract extra fans, but I like a nice big dumb button that you can press to get you to someone’s other webpages.

You can also contribute to Appellation Mountain by sending in your own name story detailing how you chose your child’s names. And of course, you can suggest names for Abby to profile by e-mailing her; she tries to take two names from each person, no matter how short or long their lists. Be warned though – she is booked up for months in advance; a mountain cannot be climbed in a day! I don’t know whether this is true or not, but I read in a name forum that boy’s names are especially welcome, as fewer are received.

As well as the name entries, each Sunday there is a generous weekly round-up of interesting posts spotted on other blogs. I can never resist clicking on these, and as a result, have been introduced to some great blogs that I visit all the time. These Sunday Summaries included celebrity babies born that week, but recently Abby wrote that she has new plans for the blog, and I think part of that is making “Starbaby Announcements” separately, as there was one this morning for Tina Fey’s daughter.

As well as her recent posts on Nameberry being catalogued on her blog, Abby also has a list of articles she has written on naming, and these give excellent advice, presented in a clear and intelligent way. This isn’t the usual repetitive bunkum about “You can’t use a name from the Top Ten because if two people called Emily are in a room together, the universe will explode”, or pie-in-the-sky stuff telling us that Quinkalaria is the new vogue name and you should get on board now lest you miss this cool trend. It’s sensible, it’s funny, and best of all, it’s encouraging. (Have you noticed how discouraging naming advice often is? Don’t do this, and don’t do that, and you must not ever!)

There are also some lists of different types of names, such as nature names, saints names and French names. I notice these seem to be heavily weighted in favour of girls names; I hope some boy’s name lists can be added later. By their nature, blogs are a work in progress, not a finished product, and not every single article is yet indexed, so don’t be afraid to look around or search the site. I remember an article Abby wrote for her 1000th post about what she had learned about names through blogging; she probably doesn’t think it counts as a “proper” article, but I’d like to see it added to the list because it was very interesting.

I can’t really tell you all to get on over to Appellation Mountain, because let’s face it, you’ve already been. You’ve already subscribed, or at least are a dedicated lurker. You already know what a fantastic blog this is, and what an institution it’s become. I can only encourage you, for those who have only wandered amongst the foothills, to climb higher up the mountain – contribute comments, send in your name stories, suggest names, follow Abby on Nameberry, Facebook and Twitter.

Most of all, don’t take this iconic blog for granted. Everyone who goes to Paris visits the Eiffel Tower – that doesn’t make it any less a marvel, or any less thrilling to climb.

Q & A WITH ABBY

Name: Abby Sandel. Well, if you’re going to steal my identity, you should know that it is Amy Abigail Sandel. My bank and insurance company seem to think that this means I’m Amy A., while the rest of the planet understands that I’m Abby.

What began your interest in names?: I was born Amy in 1973. There were always other girls named Amy – in kindergarten, at summer camp, in my neighborhood. Even at a very young age, I understood there had been this opportunity to choose something else, and I was not consulted. My mother’s name is say-that-again rare, and our last name was equally distinctive. She thought it was a kindness to give her daughters short, perky, cheerleader names. I found her baby name book not long after I learned how to read, and ran around asking if she’d ever thought about Hephzibah.

How did you start blogging?: I found myself writing the same thing, time and time again, in message board comments. Collecting my thoughts meant that I could link somewhere instead.

Your favourite entry on Appellation Mountain: In Defense of Ethan and Emma: Ten Good Reasons to Use a Common Name. Much as I like unusual names, I hate the idea that parents eschew their favorite name for fear that it will become “too popular” – our son’s name is very common, but it is also his grandfather’s name, and the name my husband had always imagined giving to his firstborn son. That meant more than any ranking.

Your pet naming peeve:I rather dislike the idea that there is a single valid spelling. Don’t get me wrong – I wince when I stumble across a kid called Khaedin or Eighmei, too. But aside from some truly outlandish – and very rare – extremes, most of the time there’s not much harm in calling your kid Coltyn or Cait or Jayne or Reece. Not my personal style, but I’ve gotten over the idea that your child will be kept out of Harvard because you spelled her name with a y instead of an i.

Your favourite names: Troi for a girl. Hallow. Jonathan, nickname Jono. Ask me again next week, and it will be whatever I wrote about most recently. (In fact, I’m presently in love with Bert and Eiffel.) Longer term, I’d say that I have long harbored an affection for Octavia, Mariel and Hester, and I’d love to have a son nicknamed Huck.

Names you dislike: I’m frustrated by names that are super-fluffy and don’t age well. As a nickname, Candi is sweet. But as an independent name, Candi gives me a toothache. Names that are hyper-masculine give me the same feeling. What if Slade grows up to be a sensitive poet? Every name should leave some space for the possibility that your kid will turn out to be wildly different than you first imagined.

Names you love, but can’t use: Since our last name ends in –el, anything that ends in –el. Like Mariel.

Your children’s names: Alexander Arthur is six-going-on-seven, and Claire Caroline Wren, called Clio, is two-going-on-three.

Did you and your husband have any issues agreeing on names?: Oh boy howdy! Yes, yes we did. We brokered the Great Naming Compromise years before we had children. Our first son would be named after his father; our first daughter, after my mom. In our son’s case, that’s very precisely true. My daughter’s name required some creative license. My mother didn’t love her unusual name, and didn’t want us to pass it on.

What’s the ONE piece of advice you would give to someone who was choosing a name for their baby?: One piece of advice? Hmmm … I know parents who have gone mad considering and re-considering the merits of Piper versus Grace. Still, I think I’ll say this: don’t settle. You get to choose your child’s name just once, so I think it is worth mulling it over until you’re sure. Or until you absolutely, positively can’t enroll your child in school without a completed birth certificate. Whichever comes first.

Many thanks to Abby for agreeing to this review and for answering all my nosy questions!

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